Having both an 0870 and 0845 number, I wondered if anyone had their own 01/02 CLI number changed at their exchange to allow outgoing calls to show up as their own 08? number..

Say I called a company and instead of my 01 number showing up, I would have the 08 number show up instead?

In theory it shouldnt be too hard, but I wondered before atempting such, if anyone here has been successful in having this changed for them?

This would be very useful for calling out, and having them see my 08 number on display.

Thanks

Of course, when the CLI rules were first written they expressly forbade showing revenue sharing numbers such as 09X and possibly also 070.
084 and 087 were allowed because they were truly local and national.
What price progress?

wrote on Aug 18^th, 2005 at 7:08pm:

Having both an 0870 and 0845 number, I wondered if anyone had their own 01/02 CLI number changed at their exchange to allow outgoing calls to show up as their own 08? number.. Say I called a friend, and instead of my 01 number showing up, I would have the 08 number show up instead? In theory it shouldnt be too hard, but I wondered before atempting such, if anyone here has been successful in having this changed for them? This would be very useful for calling out, and having them see my 08 number on display. Thanks

Don't phone me then - I won't answer calls from such numbers.

I have never seen 0870 on the caller display when called by any 0870 call centre.

It always seems to be either Unavailable or Withheld.

I also think your suggestion that you want to get your friends to call you back on an 0870 number is reprehensible.  It would of course be quite satisfying to have 0870 show up on the CLI section of the screen of an employee in an 0870 call centre.

It is possible to have an 0870 show up when calling out as I've had calls from businesses, etc come up with 0870.

This site though (and most of its members) are against 0845/0870 (specifically 087x) numbers and I agree with NGM about having your family/friends, etc ring you back on an 087x number is inexcusable and in my opinion makes you just like some of these companies that operate 087x numbers.

I, like some forum members, do have an 087x number but only provide this to companies/organisations that themselves expect us to use their 087x numbers.

I haven't received a penny as yet from my 0871 number and I'm not that bothered if I do or don't as its there to give these companies a taste of their own medicine.

I personally would never dream about having my family/friends, etc ring an 087x number instead of my landline.

Hi. I have posted an item about 0870 CLI in the Geo Nos Chat last December under the topic 0870 Caller Display. I detail where it is possible to have your 0870 displayed over your geographic number for a set up fee and quarterly charge. Since then, I have had an 0870 displayed (0870 2000848) on the line for my fax but can't recall who it was from as I'm not interested in responding to 0870 calls/fax. Bill

Bill again. For some reason a smiley was displayed instead of 0870 2000848. Fat fingers?

wrote on Aug 19^th, 2005 at 5:45pm:

Bill again. For some reason a smiley was displayed instead of 0870 2000848. Fat fingers?

No, it'll be because certain characters in a certain sequence inform the forum software that you wanted a smilie even though you didn't but that's how the smilies are displayed - it just interprets these characters as somekind of code for meaning you wanted a certain smilie.

I know because I've done it a few times and I think my certain sequence of characters was a certain number of question marks and explanations marks that displays a smilie.

(it actually did display a smilie when I tried to do the question marks and explanation marks as single characters instead of words)

Just checked my Caller Display unit and not one 0870 amongst the last 70 individual numbers that have called.

Of course Unavailable is the most recent item in the list of 70 and i have had more than 99 calls from number Unavailable since I last changed the batteries in the Caller Display unit.

Technically, it is possible to have it done at the local exchange, but it really depends on who one speaks to.. I did ask the guy at repairs (they seem to know best) and I should write in and ask for such service..

I do not want my 08 number to come up on my display so my friends call, that is not my intention. Its just sheer interest and "can it be" so please do not suggest I am reprehensible, I was using it as an example. but hey, some people on here dont know when to take an example as is.. I guess the whole blood boiling still happens, even with example.. I do laugh. NonGeorgraphicalman hit it spot on though with it being rather satisfying to show up on a companies CLI..

Indeed in the past Ive seen a few 0845 numbers come up on callerID, the most memorable ones would have to be that dreaded BTsms voice thing..

So please, anyone who thinks I would actually have my friends or family call my 08 for real, then you got another thing coming.. Infact, I might aswell just change the origional post..

chill out people!

And Number Unavailable was invented for those generally older rural excahnges where the caller was not able to dial 141 to withhold their number. So all numbers were marked as unavailable, that is "withheld, but not by individual subscriber choice". In this way bypassing anonymous call rejection in a valid manner.
So why are big companies allowed to use this scam? Surely they can not be using old BT Monarch telephone systems  :-)

wrote on Aug 19^th, 2005 at 10:46pm:

So why are big companies allowed to use this scam? Surely they can not be using old BT Monarch telephone systems  :-)

Because the number is not withheld at the choice of the person calling you but on a company wide basis at the choice of their telecoms manager.  Thus the person making the call is no more able to diclose their number than someone calling from a small rural exchange.  Hence the number is Unavailable.

No. The difference is the command at the exchange. Withheld, whether by individual extension user or by the telecoms manager, is different to Unavailable. This was my point about large companies pretending that their switch could not discriminate and so being allowed to show unavailable as a way of bypassing anonymous call rejection (ACR).
Hence you get Unavilable calls from, for example HSBC, when they actually really withhold the number. GRRRR.
This was not why the command was invented and it should be withdrawn.
Time for a ConDoc OFCOM?

wrote on Aug 19^th, 2005 at 10:57pm:

Time for a ConDoc OFCOM?

Haven't you noticed that almost no regulation which Ofcom is supposed to control is respected Tanllan.

Time perhaps then for a consultation document about Ofcom?

I hardly ever get Withheld from these large companies.  It is nearly always Unavailable.  Presumably this is so as to force us to call them back on their 0845 or 0870 number.  Unusually my local council does disclose the number of their main switchboard for any number there that calls.  And that's even without having to put down a resolution to full council about it.  Of course that council doesn't use any 0870 or 0845 call centre numbers though.

Sorry, by switch there I meant the local public exchange or the opearator/carrier used. Hence my surmise at a scam to flout the spirit.
Now where have we seen that allowed?

Most calls I get from call centres are from witheld numbers, however if I get an "unavailable" number, then usually it's from India.

As most telcos from abroad don't release the CLI, then the calls you get from India are always unavailable.

Labour Party HQ, comes up Unavailable, if the call centre in newcastle (gosforth) calls me.
If London HQ calls, certain numbers come up and others come up witheld

Had a call from Number10, it came up with an 0870.

wrote on Aug 20^th, 2005 at 1:36pm:

Had a call from Number10, it came up with an 0870.

But of course in line with the general organised Labour party move to the widespread use of 0870 numbers as a form of "stealth tax".  I trust that you lodged a complaint about this pointing out the COI guidance.

Why exactly would number 10 be calling you though?

wrote on Aug 20^th, 2005 at 1:42pm:

But of course in line with the general organised Labour party move to the widespread use of 0870 numbers as a form of "stealth tax".  I trust that you lodged a complaint about this pointing out the COI guidance. Why exactly would number 10 be calling you though?

Seeing as it was them calling me on my "council line", I didnt mind about the 0870, but id never call them back on the 0870.
The reason they were calling me was to confirm an invitation theyd sent me for some Labour Party reception.

mc661, do they call you on your geographical landline or do you give them your NGN number?

wrote on Aug 20^th, 2005 at 1:57pm:

The reason they were calling me was to confirm an invitation theyd sent me for some Labour Party reception.

Do people in Norfolk travel as far as London these days then? ;) ;D

wrote on Aug 20^th, 2005 at 1:59pm:

mc661, do they call you on your geographical landline or do you give them your NGN number?

I think it was on my 0871, as thats the only number Labour party has for me on membership record, but it could have been a GN as it would be *evil* to force my electorate which I represent to call a NGN, and the GN is published on councils website, plus the standards board wouldnt like it either, me making money out of phone calls out of the electorate


wrote on Aug 20^th, 2005 at 2:02pm:

Do people in Norfolk travel as far as London these days then? ;) ;D

Yeah, funny thing is weve actually got a pretty decent train service, on an electrified line (which the local tax payer paid for about 60% of the cost to electricfy)

interestingly enough.. Sorry I cant rememeber the name of the software, although well known..

Having signed up for one of these Voip services a few months ago just to test it out. One gets a choece of which number to have for incoming purposes.. This number infact did show up on CLI..

Hi all. In June 2003 a friend changed from BT to British Gas and this meant that his number was no longer displayed but came up "unavailable". At the time I spoke to a Mr Dan Lidster, Customer Services Manager of BG Communications (0845 0709010) who advised me that not all their sub contract carriers have the technology in place to support CLI. He went on to say that they were encouraging all their carriers to provide this facility but that it is expensive. By having cheaper carriers enables them to offer a cheaper tariff and meet Oftel's requirements. He also said that it is not a requirement of Oftel for service providers to support CLI. I wrote to Oftel and received a letter back dated 16th June 2003 from Christopher Stock, Consumer Representation, who wrote that there is no existing requirement on any operator other than BT or Kingston to provide CLI facilities. He went on to advise that "Condition 19 of the General Conditions of Entitlement (which enter into force on 25 July 2003) will require communications providers to provide CLI facilities, subject to TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY AND ECONOMIC VIABILITY. Oftel and, in the future, Ofcom, will still consider the circumstances in which it would be reasonable for an operator not to provide CLI facilities on feasibility and viability grounds."
Perhaps some of the more seasoned contributers could advise whether this two year old policy is still in place? My friend has since moved and is back with BT. Bill