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Message started by SilentCallsVictim on Jul 11th, 2008 at 2:30pm

Title: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens" - Consultation
Post by SilentCallsVictim on Jul 11th, 2008 at 2:30pm
Ofcom has announced a consultation on Citizens, Communications and Convergence.

This is based on a "discussion paper" that is hoped to "stimulate debate" about Ofcom's distinct duties to consumers and citizens.

My own views on this matter have been widely expressed and published.

I would briefly summarise these as being that any matter within the scope of Ofcom's responsibilities that cannot be resolved through the interplay between providers of telecommunications services and consumers of those services must fall under Ofcom's duties to citizens.

Ofcom's failure to classify those who provide services using "revenue sharing" telephone numbers as being providers of "premium rate services" means that they are not thereby classified as providers of telecommunications services. Ofcom therefore has no duty to those who purchase their services as consumers.

In the same way, those who receive Silent Calls are not consumers of those who call them (so far as Ofcom is concerned) unless the Silent Call is made by the victim's own telephone service provider.

Those who are interested to engage in discussion about Ofcom's role and responsibilities may be interested to participate, subject to well known concerns about the effect of Ofcom consultations. This is however only said to be a matter for discussion.

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens"
Post by NGMsGhost on Jul 12th, 2008 at 9:55pm
This would appear to amount to an admission that they don't actually understand what Ofcom's principal duty is!

It seems something must lie behind them bothering to launch such a consulration though.    Do you think they have finally started to get worried about the kind of negative comments that they are receiving in consultation responses? :-/

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens"
Post by Dave on Jul 12th, 2008 at 10:08pm

Quote:
1.1 The purpose of this paper is to discuss and clarify Ofcom’s role in furthering the interests of citizens. It sets out our thinking on this issue and we hope that it stimulates debate.

Is this not defined in the Communications Act?

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens"
Post by NGMsGhost on Jul 12th, 2008 at 10:36pm

Dave wrote on Jul 12th, 2008 at 10:08pm:
Is this not defined in the Communications Act?


Perhaps Ofcom have long since lost their copy. >:( >:( >:( :'(

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens"
Post by SilentCallsVictim on Jul 14th, 2008 at 4:00am

Dave wrote on Jul 12th, 2008 at 10:08pm:
Is this not defined in the Communications Act?

No. Not in detail, although the implications of what is meant may be derived from the declaration of specific duties and powers. That is not however definition.

The only relevant point is the clear distinction between the duties to a) citizens and b) consumers. These are said to potentially conflict and so must be distinct.

I have even researched the parliamentary debates on the Communications Bill, including the lengthy proceedings of the joint select committee that preceded its presentation. There is not much light to be found there either.

Ofcom clearly wishes to engage in "discussion" of this issue. This could be with good or with bad motives.

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens"
Post by NGMsGhost on Jul 14th, 2008 at 11:26am

SilentCallsVictim wrote on Jul 14th, 2008 at 4:00am:
Ofcom clearly wishes to engage in "discussion" of this issue. This could be with good or with bad motives.


I am sure they are looking to shore up their ludicrous position that the best interests of the UK citizen consumer are served by allowing businesses to scam the public using whatever dubious commercial practices they feel like using while Ofcom continues to act as a covert trade association for the UK telecommunications industry. >:(

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens"
Post by SilentCallsVictim on Oct 4th, 2008 at 4:25am
The closing date for this consultation is NEXT WEDNESDAY 8 October.

I am working on my response over the weekend.

There are no specific questions, so I am sure that any general comment would be accepted (subject to normal rules of courtesy). Ofcom's open invitation is as follows (my emphasis):


Quote:
We look forward to receiving your views on this paper,
and on the issues that should be addressed as part of our agenda to promote the interests of citizens.
Please send your comments to alistair.bridge@ofcom.org.uk by 8 October 2008.

Title: Re: Ofcom's duty to "Citizens" - Consultation
Post by SilentCallsVictim on Oct 8th, 2008 at 2:46pm
The closing date is today was the day this message was posted.

I must stress that this is a less formal consultation than usual. Noting the terms of the invitation to respond, as quoted above, I am sure that any unstructured rant by email would qualify as a valid response.

Ofcom's consultation guidelines state that responses to consultations will be published, assuming consent from the respondent. There is no indication that this consultation will be deviating from these guidelines, although the usual provision for publication has not been made on the web page.

Members and guests may be interested to read a rather lengthy response which is available here.

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