As has been mentioned in their previous posts, both mc661, and NonGeographicalMan are both on their local council.

Just out of interest, were you both battling for your seat, or is it next year, or last year?  If you were both fighting, did you both keep your seat at last nights elections?

I don't know if NGM was up for election this time, but he's a Conservative and the Tories have gained four seats on his council this time, so I would say he's safe.

jrawle wrote on May 5^th, 2006 at 3:50pm:


The Conservative group on Mole Valley District Council gained five seats (three from Liberal Democrat and two from the Independents in wards where the Lib Dems had cynically decided not to even contest the seats this year) and lost one giving us a net gain of four seats and control of the council for the first time in its 32 year history.  But guess which Conservative councillor lost the one seat.

See www.molevalley.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=3053

There is a reason I lost which is that my esteemed Conservative colleagues at Surrey County Council have kindly decided to name the Capel Clockhouse Brickworks site as their preferred site for a mass burn waste incinerator for all of Surrey's non recyclable waste and that despite me being a vehement critic of these proposals and having obtained two headline stories to that effect in the local newspapers in the last two months the Lib Dems foolishly decided to commit all their campaigning resources to a most disgraceful but classically typical tissue of lies and deceit which inaccurately suggested that I was "their candidate" (that is a candidate of Surrey County Council Conservative group when I am on Mole Valley District Council) and also promised to fix every broken street light and pothole in the area and stop every single speeding vehicle, even though this is the District Council election and we the District Councillors cannot fix those problems (only Surrey County Council can).

It is ironic that in devoting all their mass campaign effort to booting me out that the Lib Dems completely took their eye off the ball in all of the wards that we were targeting to take off them and so lost all three.  I am happy to report that I actually managed to increase my total vote by 33 on the 755 I obtained in 2002 when the Lib Dems only polled 360 votes but unfortunately through their campaign of lies and deceit the Lib Dems were able to motivate every bored disaffected, alienated and normally non voting local resident to go out and vote on the basis of giving the County Council a bloody nose over their incinerator plans.  Even though I have precisely nothing to do with the County Council or any of those plans.

I am beginning to wonder if the SayNoTo0870 campaign does not in fact need a full time paid head to take its mission forward and if so I am happy to report that my services are now available for the said position.

As I now have rather more free time on my hands you may be seeing rather more of me during the next few weeks in this place than has been the case over the last month or two.

mc661 wrote on May 8^th, 2006 at 9:51am:


If you feel sure that you may be booted out of your seat due to the national swing (bearing in mind that you will never reveal which Councillor you are in West Norfolk so I do not know your majority) my advice would be to retire instead because being booted out hurts a lot more and is an awful lot more undignified.

I was sorry to hear NGM lost his seat (missed this as was away on holiday just after the elections), my husband is an election fanatic & youngest son studying politics & social policy at uni so do normally keep up to date.   Do sympathise with your feelings re the campaign against you but do hope LibDems face same losses multiplied by as many as possible when whole council up for election in our area in 2007, particularly as I suspect our local LD lot will want to bring in 0845 along with the call centre!   Agree with previous post about site's gain - how about drafting some model letters/notes for those of us less expert to use when dealing with organisations?   At least Mole Valley can now be saved as it has a Conservative Council!

Oh dear, NGM, I can understand your total disillusionment with the electorate/public at the moment, I really can, but that just what the likes of OFCOM really want, to dishearten those who understand and are prepared to fight for the public good.    Think of the hundreds of people who DID vote for you and your policies and all the people using this site who benefit from your expertise and PLEASE carry on campaigning - you are NEEDED!   The whole campaign needs people who understand the intricacies of the telecoms system (which I certainly don't) - maybe you could be some kind of consultant for us?   I had thought you had been a bit quiet lately but had assumed you had been on holiday.   Just think, it is the loss of the electors of Mole Valley and they will come to regret their decision (as the electors of our area know, or would if they knew what was happening locally!)   Sorry if this is going a bit off message but just trying to be encouraging.