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08 Direct - Avoid unwanted calls
Feb 11th, 2010 at 12:38am
 
Quite bizarre this one....

http://www.prfire.co.uk/press-release/08-direct--uk-leader-of-0800--0844--0845-n...

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Most businesses think that freephone numbers are best for attracting customers. This is true to some extent. However, a major drawback of freephone numbers is that it costs you a lot of money on unwanted calls. Despite, the fact that numbers like 0800 are free of charge, sometimes they can be unacceptable. In order to save costs and reduce unnecessary calls, using a 0845 number is the ideal solution.

Since 0845 numbers are premium rate numbers, the callers are charged at a local rate depending on where they are calling from. Whereas, you have to have a freephone number, it cost you 3 to 6 pence per minute. A major drawback of freephone numbers is that it raises the level of fraudulence in the company. For instance, call centres might be calling companies at their own expense.

Similarly, many people call 0800 numbers for fun or time wasting purposes. Not only does it cost the company but it can be incredibly frustrating for businesses who continually receive telephone solicitations on their 0800 number.

However, this might not be the case with 0845 numbers as callers would realise that they will be charged for the call. The 0845 numbers only encourage customers that genuinely want to contact the company. The company also realises the fact that the customers are charged for the calls, therefore they treat customers well in a professional manner.
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For more information on other non geographical numbers such as 0844 numbers, please visit 08 Direct.
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Website: http://www.08direct.co.uk/
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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 4:05am
 
Bizarre indeed, but of the same standard as most of the output from this organisation.

Plenty of laughs here - http://www.08direct.co.uk/blog/.

If you look carefully you can see that some suckers take the site seriously and offer profound comments - more fool them? Grin
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 8:40pm
 
Another gem from 08Direct has popped up here - Set your business apart with non-geographic numbers such as 0800, 0845 and 0844.


I particularly like a clever pun which refers to making money whilst callers are waiting to be answered - perhaps:

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take the wait off your shoulders



Some will be delighted by this one:

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Currently, 0845 numbers are the UKs most popular non geographic number. This is because they are classed as a local rate number but still uphold all the benefits of a non geographic number


On a more serious note, I wonder if we are seeing the start of what happened with 0870 after the withdrawal of revenue sharing was announced. There has not yet been any announcement about the removal of revenue sharing from 0845, although some are starting to see the way that things are likely to go. For so radical a change in behaviour to be forecast, there could be an assumption about a radical change in regulation.

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However, it is the 0844 numbers that will soon take place of preference over 0845 numbers within UK businesses.


I would be delighted if other members would like to offer their thoughts and views on this particular topic, which has excited surprisingly little comment in this forum.
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 12:09am
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 8:40pm:
On a more serious note, I wonder if we are seeing the start of what happened with 0870 after the withdrawal of revenue sharing was announced. There has not yet been any announcement about the removal of revenue sharing from 0845, although some are starting to see the way that things are likely to go. For so radical a change in behaviour to be forecast, there could be an assumption about a radical change in regulation.

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However, it is the 0844 numbers that will soon take place of preference over 0845 numbers within UK businesses.

The similarity between 0844 and 0845 is but a tiny step in peoples' minds and thus makes it easier for 0844 numbers to be marketed instead of 0845 ones.

The reason providers have to do this are that there is more in it for them in the form of far higher termination charges than with 0845. That, and the possibility that termination charges will be reduced on 0845, but really I think it's the former and for that reason I believe that 0844 is the new 0870.
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:41am
 
Dave wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 12:09am:
0844 is the new 0870.

Yes, that is unquestionably the case.

The point at issue is whether it will become the new 0845, after 0845 has perhaps gone the same way as 0870.

Having invested in a number, businesses need a good reason to change. The temptation arising from higher termination fees has always been there. The fact that 0845 calls are now included in BT packages is (somewhat perversely) seen as a benefit in using 0845 numbers (the fact that they have for some time been actually cheaper than geo numbers when a package is not in effect is seen to be disregarded). If anything, the temptation to change is therefore currently lower than it has been. For the situation to turn around so markedly as to give 0844 preference over 0845 something radical would have to happen.

I cannot see how 0844 numbers are currently more easily marketed than 0845, as they are less familiar (if only slightly different) and there is at least some uncertainty about the cost of calling. The attempt to present the advantages of 0844 in the quoted 08Direct article indicates anything but ease! It appears to rely on what may happen in the future.

I cannot either see any compulsion in switching from 0845 to 0844 at present. This would only arise if revenue sharing ended on 0845 (as it has on 0870), i.e. the termination fee was reduced to the point where providers had to charge for the extra features of non-geographic numbers.
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 4:01pm
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:41am:
The point at issue is whether it will become the new 0845, after 0845 has perhaps gone the same way as 0870.

Obviously it's difficult to say exactly what will happen in the future, but the trend now for the private sector is more a move towards 0844 than move to 0845. I don't have any figures to back that up, it's just the impression I get.

The public sector has never really got into using 0844 numbers, and has instead stuck mainly to 0845. I don't think that any removal of premiums on 0845 (i.e. removal of support for revenue sharing) will push them onto 0844. I think that public sector bodies will either go 01/02/03 or stay with 0845.


SilentCallsVictim wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:41am:
Having invested in a number, businesses need a good reason to change. The temptation arising from higher termination fees has always been there. The fact that 0845 calls are now included in BT packages is (somewhat perversely) seen as a benefit in using 0845 numbers (the fact that they have for some time been actually cheaper than geo numbers when a package is not in effect is seen to be disregarded). If anything, the temptation to change is therefore currently lower than it has been. For the situation to turn around so markedly as to give 0844 preference over 0845 something radical would have to happen.

I cannot see how 0844 numbers are currently more easily marketed than 0845, as they are less familiar (if only slightly different) and there is at least some uncertainty about the cost of calling. The attempt to present the advantages of 0844 in the quoted 08Direct article indicates anything but ease! It appears to rely on what may happen in the future.

I think that both 0844 and 0845 have marketing potentials. Examples of the sort of claims made are:
  • 0844 - "Calls cost less than the price of a local call with BT", "Calls cost no more than the standard price of a local call and you receive up to x pence per minute."
  • 0845 - "Now included in call packages, your customers can call you at no extra cost and you can be paid for call received."

These three statements are true and the sorts of things that marketeers band about. They are, of course, economical with the truth, but crucially for providers that use them, they do the job and attract customers.

The GPs who use 0844 numbers are a great example of how this sort of marketing works. It gives the impression that these numbers give benefit to receivers (users of the numbers) without costing callers (much) more.


Whilst 0845 numbers may be more easily marketed, there are different providers out there and they each decide which type of number to push to potential customers. The 0844 numbers are more lucrative than 0845 for providers, which is probably why some promote them more heavily. Providers, in-turn, can afford to offer higher revenue payments with 0844 to attract customers.

Providers of 0845 numbers receive around 1.5 pence per minute whereas for the highest priced 0844 numbers (in BT band g6, which is 5 pence per minute inc VAT from BT lines) they get around 4.5 pence per minute. All things being equal, we would expect to see revenue share payments to users of 0844 numbers to be roughly 3 pence per minute greater than for 0845 numbers from the same provider. I don't believe that this is the case, hence providers are profitting more from 0844 numbers than 0845 numbers.


SilentCallsVictim wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:41am:
I cannot either see any compulsion in switching from 0845 to 0844 at present. This would only arise if revenue sharing ended on 0845 (as it has on 0870), i.e. the termination fee was reduced to the point where providers had to charge for the extra features of non-geographic numbers.

I agree, although the current level of uptake of 0844 numbers helps pave the way for more organisations to jump on the bandwagon. So should the time come when subsidies are removed from 0845 calls, it will be easier to promote 0844 as the alternative because others are using them.
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 4:51pm
 
Dave wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 4:01pm:
Obviously it's difficult to say exactly what will happen in the future.

From the further comments made it is clear that we are very much in agreement. Neither of us is totally sure where the balance lies in take up at present. I continue to hold the view that it would take a radical development for 0844 to overtake 0845 so as to be recognised as being the preferred option, as this would require a large amount of switching from 0845 to 0844.

As a provider I think I would still find it easier to sell 0845 than 0844 at present - partly as a result of the efforts of saynoto0870, and those of BT. Once serious doubt, or even certainty, about the end of revenue sharing on 0845 was raised, that is when I would see this being reversed. I see the 0844 market currently as rather specialised, with NEG as the classic example. When we see general non-geographic providers pressing 0844 rather than 0845, and recommending migration, then we will know that the industry is expecting revenue sharing on 0845 to be ended.

It is indeed difficult to say what will happen in the future, this is only speculation.
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