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Police launch non-emergency number - Essex Police
Reply #105 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 1:17pm
 
Source: The Harlow Herald

http://www.harlowherald.co.uk/content/hlwherald/news/story.aspx?brand=HLHOnline&...

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Police launch non-emergency number
08:34 - 22 March 2008

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Pictured are Pc Chris Newton, Insp Paul Thompson and PCSO Holli Scott from Harlow Police Station


THE new non-emergency police number is currently being advertised on the side of Harlow buses to make residents aware of the new service.

The non-emergency number has been set up for all enquiries to Essex Police and is a 24-hour, seven days a week service that will connect callers to the relevant person, department or station.

The number, 0300 333 4444, is appearing on the sides of 19 First Buses Essex in Harlow.

This number does not replace the emergency number 999 which should be used if there is an emergency, a serious risk of injury or serious damage to property.

Deputy Chief Constable Andy Bliss said: "The non-emergency number will improve telephone access to the police ensuring that all calls are dealt with quickly and effectively.

"By having a memorable, low cost, non-emergency telephone number for the whole county it will be easier to contact Essex Police even when you are away from home.

"You can still contact your local neighbourhood police officer on their mobile telephone number, which can be found on our website www.essex.police.uk or by texting your postcode to 07624 800 101."

The price of the call will be the same as a local call on a 01 (01279) or 02 (0208) number and will be included in inclusive minutes and discount packages.
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Telephoned for 45 mins - Derbyshire Constabulary
Reply #106 - Mar 27th, 2008 at 7:54pm
 
Source: Buxton Advertiser

http://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/hayfield/Telephoned-for-45-mins.3916054.jp

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Telephoned for 45 mins
By Emma Downes
News Editor

A HAYFIELD councillor has complained after she tried for 45 minutes to contact Derbyshire police without success.

Cllr Eva Hodgson, speaking at a meeting of the parish council, said she dialled the 0845 number repeatedly.

Inspector Tracy Lewis said: "To be ringing for 45 minutes is not acceptable.

"Calls for service times are monitored quite closely and are quite good and have been improving since the call handling centre was set up a few years ago."

She said she would look into the specific circumstances.

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Comments from Andrew George MP - Devon & Cornwall
Reply #107 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:26am
 
Source: Falmouth Packet

http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/mostpopular.var.2113692.mostcommented.mp_concern...

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MP concerned about police phone charges

Andrew George, MP for the West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Constituency of St Ives, has today called on the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary to ensure that responsible citizens are not deterred from reporting useful information to the police by the price of calls to its non-emergency contact number.

Mr George had raised concerns that calls to the 0845 prefix number, which is promoted by the police as a local rate service, are generating profits for the force due to changes in the telecoms market since the prefix was first introduced which now make it more expensive than a normal local call. The number is also much more expensive to call using mobile or pay phones.

Mr George raised these concerns in a letter to Chief Constable Mr Stephen Otter who assured him that the force has "no intention of using the non-emergency number as a significant income generation device". Mr George, however, wants the Constabulary to speed up its plans to switch to a less expensive non-emergency number and to be clear with the public about what calls will cost.
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"The police should not profit from responsible citizens who report helpful information using the non-emergency line," said the MP.

"Whilst I appreciate that the apparent profit is only a small fraction of the cost to the Constabulary of operating the service it is important that the police find a system which does not add costs to local people who have already paid for this service through their taxes.

"I hope the Constabulary can find a system which reduces the cost to local people and that, in the meantime, the local rate call' claims in their publicity are corrected."

1:01pm Wednesday 12th March 2008
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Re: Comments from Andrew George MP - Devon & Cornw
Reply #108 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:49am
 
Dave wrote on Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:26am:
Mr George raised these concerns in a letter to Chief Constable Mr Stephen Otter who assured him that the force has "no intention of using the non-emergency number as a significant income generation device". Mr George, however, wants the Constabulary to speed up its plans to switch to a less expensive non-emergency number and to be clear with the public about what calls will cost.
Translated that means yes we make a healthy profit from it but using our PR people we try and word it so it looks like we dont but at same time we cant lie so we decided to use the word "significant".  That one word makes all the difference.  Remove it and they dont receive any income from it but by putting it in their, it can be read that they make no (or very little) money from the calls received.

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"The police should not profit from responsible citizens who report helpful information using the non-emergency line," said the MP.
Well other government funded departments are making a profit so obviously the police felt left out and thought well we could get a number and make money from it whilst claiming its local/national rate.

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Reply #109 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 5:19pm
 
bbb_uk wrote on Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:49am:
Translated that means yes we make a healthy profit from it but using our PR people we try and word it so it looks like we dont but at same time we cant lie so we decided to use the word "significant". […]

See this FOI response.

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1) Revenue and payments:
(a) Does Devon & Cornwall Constabulary receive any revenue payments from the use of this number? If so, how much?

Yes, approximately £900 per month

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4) How many calls in have been received in total and how much revenue has been received in total, if applicable, on the 0845 number:
(a) in the period April 2006 to March 2007.

897092 calls. Amount of revenue for those calls £6513.63
(b) in the period April 2007 to the latest date which figures are available for. Please specify up to when they apply.
Calls received Apr 07 to Jan 08 = 748017 calls. £8670.31 in revenue

So Devon & Cornwall is on course to "generate" over £10,000 this year.
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Reply #110 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 5:25pm
 
Source: Andrew George MP's website

http://www.andrewgeorge.org.uk/index.php?p=Story&ID=189

12/03/2008

Police urged not to 'profit' from public good will

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Andrew George, MP for the West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Constituency of St Ives, has today called on the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary to ensure that responsible citizens are not deterred from reporting useful information to the police by the price of calls to its non-emergency contact number.

Mr George had raised concerns that calls to the 0845 prefix number, which is promoted by the police as a local rate service, are generating profits for the force due to changes in the telecoms market since the prefix was first introduced which now make it more expensive than a normal local call. The number is also much more expensive to call using mobile or pay phones.

Mr George raised these concerns in a letter to Chief Constable Mr Stephen Otter who assured him that the force has “no intention of using the non-emergency number as a significant income generation device”. Mr George, however, wants the Constabulary to speed up its plans to switch to a less expensive non-emergency number and to be clear with the public about what calls will cost.

Commenting Mr George said:

“The police should not profit from responsible citizens who report helpful information using the non-emergency line.

“Whilst I appreciate that the apparent profit is only a small fraction of the cost to the Constabulary of operating the service it is important that the police find a system which does not add costs to local people who have already paid for this service through their taxes.

“I hope the Constabulary can find a system which reduces the cost to local people and that, in the meantime, the ‘local rate call’ claims in their publicity are corrected”
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Northumbria Police switches to 03 !
Reply #111 - Apr 14th, 2008 at 5:45pm
 
Source: Northumbria Police

http://ww1.northumbria.police.uk/ePolicing/web/wms.nsf/NewsReleaseContentDocs/NW...

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Force rings the changes with new Non-emergency number
Same service but cheaper

01/04/2008

Northumbria Police is ringing the changes with a new forcewide non-emergency number.

The new telephone line, which is cheaper to call, is now in operation.

The new number - 03456 043 043 - replaces the 08456 prefix and is charged at the same rate as a local call.

Superintendent Derek Scott, from the force's Communications Department, said: "This number is cheaper to use than the previous 08456 number, and in many cases it will be free as part of an existing call package – especially in the evening and at weekends.

"It will provide exactly the same service as the old number and should be used in any non-emergency situation.

"It can be used if you want to report a non emergency incident, to contact your local Neighbourhood Policing team or to speak to an officer of member of staff."

Remember, in an emergency you should still dial 999.

Your call will be treated as an emergency when:

someone's life is in danger

a vulnerable person is at risk

a crime is in progress or immediate action is needed to secure evidence

there has been a road crash involving serious injury or which is causing serious traffic congestion

there is a public disturbance or disorder
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Re: Police introduce charges for non-emergency cal
Reply #112 - Apr 14th, 2008 at 6:43pm
 
Do you think this is just because Plod in time warp Northumbria uniquely still respects the general public and wants to do the right thing by them or is this the start of a Nationwide trend by the Police.

The Police non emergency number is never going to work unless it is an 03 number.
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Reply #113 - Apr 14th, 2008 at 7:46pm
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Apr 14th, 2008 at 6:43pm:
Do you think this is just because Plod in time warp Northumbria uniquely still respects the general public and wants to do the right thing by them or is this the start of a Nationwide trend by the Police.

Praise must be given to Northumbria for changing to 03. Same goes for Essex as well.

Whilst there are always going to be some who drag their feet and prefer to hang on to the revenue, there are some which are known to be reviewing the situation, as the articles published on this thread show.

Unfortunately the situation in Scotland appears somewhat at odds to this with a 0845 number in the pipeline for all of the forces there. It is to be hoped that consideration will be given to the new 03 prefix.
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Re: Police introduce charges for non-emergency cal
Reply #114 - Apr 14th, 2008 at 7:58pm
 
Dave wrote on Apr 14th, 2008 at 7:46pm:
Whilst there are always going to be some who drag their feet and prefer to hang on to the revenue, there are some which are known to be reviewing the situation, as the articles published on this thread show.


Surrey County Council claim to have been reviewing the situation in respect of their single 0845 number for at least the last three years.

Yet despite repeated promises they would soon be bringing in a geographic number in addition to or instead of their single point of contact 0845 call centre number they still have not done so.  They now claim to be working on getting an 03 number but if so they why didn't introduce it last August.

Delay, delay and delay again is the primary tactic of all these leading NTS scammers. Shocked Angry Smiley
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Reply #115 - Apr 15th, 2008 at 10:52pm
 
Source: Carnoustie Community Council

http://www.carnoustiecommunitycouncil.org/previousMinutes.htm

Minutes of the meeting held on Monday, February 25th, 2008

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Guest Speaker. Mrs Louise Fraser, Coordinator of the Tayside Police Force Communication Centre had been invited to attend the meeting after concerns that non-emergency calls were not being processed quickly enough.

Mrs Fraser said that she was very concerned that this issue had been brought up repeatedly at Community Council meetings since the inauguration of the current central system. She explained that anyone dialling the local station number are now re-routed to the central communication centre, where their query is dealt with. Currently there are three numbers to call, but all eight Scottish police forces are going down the route of having a single non-emergency number for each force. Subsequently, from the middle of April, the public will phone 0845 6005705 for Tayside Police and the number of the Carnoustie Station will no longer be published, but anyone dialling it will still be re-routed to the centre for several months.

Mrs Fraser explained that problems have been experienced at certain times when the high volume of calls proves difficult for the number of call handlers on duty. She stressed that the centre is fully staffed but to over-staff it would be a waste of public funds. She appealed for the public to be patient at busy times, as call handlers could be dealing with an accident etc. She said she had checked logged calls and found that 13% of callers hang up immediately if their call isn’t answered straight away and that the longest any caller had had to wait for their call to be answered was four minutes. She said she appreciated that this could seem like a very long time to the caller, but the issue should be viewed in perspective.

E. Oswald pointed out that he had voiced concerns two years ago re the centralising of the call-handling system and he felt that it is not acceptable that over 12% of the public do not get through and that four minutes is far too long to wait for the phone to be answered. He stressed that the police force is a service and should not be treated as a business and he fears that the bond between the police and the public is being lost.

Mrs Fraser replied that the public needs to see that the system is changing but the police are working with limited resources. With the new system will come options, which will filter the calls, dividing them into lost property, crime reporting etc. It is hoped that this will go some way towards stopping the system becoming clogged.

Mrs McMahon described community councillors recent visit to the communication centre. She expressed surprise that there were only 2-3 call handlers on duty and questioned Mrs Fraser about reports that Carnoustie calls are in effect to be re-routed through Pitlochry. Mrs Fraser denied that this had happened, although it was there as a safety option if the system couldn’t cope.

E. Oswald expressed concern that any local calls should be answered outwith the area, but Mrs Fraser replied that it was surely better that the call was answered, be it in whatever part of the country. She explained that the centre employs an electronic mapping system which pinpoints exact locations and that police can no longer sustain its ‘local’ identity. More call handlers are due to be hired prior to the next implementation of the new service.

D. Ford asked whether the system has been designed by the police or a civilian agency. Mrs Fraser answered that it has been drawn up by BT, with police advice.

Mrs Fraser concluded by appealing for the public to get in touch with her if they have experienced difficulties as it is in everyone’s interest to iron out problems in the system.

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Reply #116 - Apr 19th, 2008 at 7:41am
 
http://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/section-item.asp?sid=12&iid=4830

Source: West Yorkshire Police

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Police Warn: Avoid Becoming a Lottery Loser

Friday, April 18, 2008

[…]

“West Yorkshire Police works in partnership with Consumer Direct and the West Yorkshire Trading Standards Service to investigate cases of this kind. If you believe you have been subject to a lottery fraud you can contact Consumer Direct by the local rate telephone number 0845 4040506 or via the internet at www.consumerdirect.gov.uk.

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West Yorkshire Police quite happily misleads citizens on the cost of calling its 0845 non-emergency telephone number on the contact page.
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Reply #117 - Apr 19th, 2008 at 9:38am
 
Dave wrote on Apr 19th, 2008 at 7:41am:
West Yorkshire Police quite happily misleads citizens on the cost of calling its 0845 non-emergency telephone number on the contact page.


Perhaps someone should attempt to ask the Chief Constable to prosecute himself for wilfully breaching Part III of the Consumer Protection 1987?

I suppose we could give him a last chance by refering him to the recent announcements by Essex and Cumbria Police.  I thought the Essex bus painted up with the new 03 number was a particularly effective image.

An obvious angle is to make a formal complaint (but refuse to accept an informal resolution and demand the formal complaints process) to Professional Standards at your local Police force then if/when you reach deadlock and they continue to insist 0845 is "local rate" or refuse to change to 03 numbers take your complaint to the Independent Police Complaints Commission

See www.westyorkshire.police.uk/section-item.asp?sid=6&iid=106

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See www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/complainants/forms.htm

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That would be sure to set the cat amongst the pigeons a lot more than an FOI or a complaint to the Police Authority (who are always in bed with the Police Force) with these hardened 0845 abusing Police authorities.

Now that two police forces have changed it really shouldn't be that difficult to roll the rest of them over.  They will cite waiting till the end of the current contract with their telecoms supplier but in reality all these contracts can be changed to use 03 at any time.  It merely involves offering to pay the telecoms supplier more money.  That is what is so unacceptable about the excuse being used to let doctors surgeries or NHS Direct hang on to their 0844 numbers.
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Reply #118 - Apr 19th, 2008 at 9:47am
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Apr 19th, 2008 at 9:38am:
[..] take your complaint to the Independent Police Complaints Commission [..]


... who appear to be just as bad, considering that their contact numbers are 0845s...
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Reply #119 - Apr 19th, 2008 at 9:56am
 
jgxenite wrote on Apr 19th, 2008 at 9:47am:
... who appear to be just as bad, considering that their contact numbers are 0845s...


They have just been missold to them using PITO like all the rest of them.   If it comes in as a formal complaint appeal they will have to investigate it.  The fact that Essex and Cumbria have now changed to 03 makes their arguments against moving to 03 a lot harder to justify.

The biggest complaint of all worth pursuing to the Parliamentary Ombudsman via your MP is about Ofcom and their failure to adequately publicise and inform the public that 084/7 calls are not local/national rate, failure to ensure accurate price indications (description as local rate and national rate) on phone bills and failuure to promote and explain on an adequate national basis the purpose and advantages of their new 03 dialling code.  It is from the pathetic and disgraceful failures of the regulator, who should have protected the public against abuse on all these issues (as is indeed their principal remit under Section 3(i) of  the Communciations Act 2003), that all these other thousands of instances of 084/7 misuse and missellling then inevitably arise.

The Police 0845 use is a big one worth going for because if they and the BBC all change over it will then apply huge pressure for governemnt agencies like DVLA and HMCE to aslo fall into line.
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