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Re: Can they tell which number we've called to?
Reply #15 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:56am
 
Now I see what sherbert was getting at. If they don't know you are not overseas, they might not mind you calling the international number. However, if some other detail gives away the fact that you are in the UK, hiding the CLI won't do much good!
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Reply #16 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:32am
 
In my experience, international CLI is unrelable. On a few occasions, calls originated to the UK from here in FL will present some given London number as oppsed to INTERNATIONAL, UNAVAILABLE or something else. Occasionally they present as WITHHELD, even though I never surpress my number. Additionally, incoming calls from the UK may show a garbled attempt at CLI, for example, 441 is the NANP area code for Bermuda, so a call from, say +44 1234 567890 will show as HAMILTON 441-234-5678 or BERMUDA 441-234-5678 on my AT&T line. Sometimes the CLI will present with a generic number from a given city, eg ATLANTA, GA XXX-XXX-XXXX or NEW YORK, NY XXX-XXX-XXXX, which aslo presents on many calls made domestically from AT&T calling cards.

One other aspect to remember is that, from a UK perspective, the prfix 141 does not actually withhold the number; rather it is an instruction for the end/terminating equipment to surpress the calling number from being displayed on a subscriber's system - an important distinction. I vaguely recall in the early days of caller ID, there was a service based out of the Netherlands (I think it may have been called Xoip and had some form of callback function) that routinely ignored 141. Clearly a violation, but nevertheless it happened. I'm sure there were other examples.
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Re: Can they tell which number we've called to?
Reply #17 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 3:44pm
 
irrelevant wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 3:29pm:
For the vast majority of users, though, the operators switch 'translates' (hence the T in NTS) into the underlying geographic number of the subscriber, and it's that which is presented to the subscriber's PABX.

Right - so it is the translated number that is forwarded. Thanks for the correction.


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Of course, it's quite possble for an NTS number to terminate on a particular number, and the published 'international' geographic number to be a completely different number.  So, simply because of the lines/DID number that the call rings on they know pretty much which you dialed.

That makes more sense. So to identify the calls dialled to the NGN, they could be translated to a DDI number that is not used for anything else or made known - even to employees - and then routed or displayed accordingly.
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