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Re: London Blasts - Using 0870 as Emergency Number
Reply #345 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 4:17pm
 
Here is the reply I have just received from Pito to my various questions raised under the Freedom of Information Act.  In a nutshell their answer is that because using 0870 let them and their police force users get the service for nothing or next to nothing they have not bothered to ask Cable & Wireless what level of revenue share they are earning.  When challenged on the cost to the poorest members of the community they resort to saying that 0870 was the most cost effective method for the taxpayer.  In other words they admit they are disproportionately overcharging poorer people but they apparently don't care so long as it artificially reduces the budget of the Police and the Home Office for these activities.

I intend to ask for an internal review regarding the lack of information on the Cable & Wireless revenue share when this matter is directly relevant to the lowering in the cost of the contract quoted to Pito by Cable & Wireless.  I will also ask if they received tenders from C&W at different prices based on the type of phone number used.

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Police Information Technology Organisation
Hendon Data Centre
Aerodrome Road
Colindale
London, NW9 5JE
Telephone: 020 8358 5223
Email: tom.mcarthur@pito.pnn.police.uk
Your Ref:
Our Ref: 32122
4th August 2005

With reference to your request for information about the use of a non geographic 0870 telephone number for
casualty bureau, dated 7th July 2005 and transferred to PITO by the Metropolitan Police Service on 8th July
2005, made under section 1(1) of the Freedom of Information Act, please treat this as a combined response
from both PITO and the Home Office. In response to your questions, I am able to provide you with the
following information:

1. The name of the company responsible for operating the telephone call centre for
the Metropolitan Police Casualty Bureau on behalf of the Metropolitan Police on 0870 1566344 if
the Bureau is not run in house by Metropolitan Police Personnel.

The Metropolitan Police operates its own Casualty Bureau in response to major incidents and enquiries.
In emergencies forces have the option to activate the national Mutual Aid Telephony arrangement which
enables them to spread the call handling load to other participating forces. In the case of the London
attacks, this arrangement enabled more than 200 call takers from around 20 different forces to handle
calls on behalf of the Metropolitan Police.

2. The name of the telecoms company operating the telephone lines that terminate calls directed to
the non geographic telephone number 0870 1566344.

The contract PITO has for Mutual Aid Telephony is with Cable & Wireless.

3. The nature of the commercial contract in place between the Metropolitan Police and/or
Metropolitan Police Casualty Bureau and the Terminating Call Party for calls made to 0870
1566344. Most specifically details of any revenue share in pence per minute for calls received by
this number and any increase in this revenue share at different numbers of calls per hour and/or
at different times of day. Also details as to whether this revenue share is passed across to the
Metropolitan Police Casualty Bureau to defray its operating costs and if not what justification is
given for allowing the Terminating Call Party to retain this revenue share and what advantages
accrue to Metropolitan Police Council Tax payers in respect of the Police's decision to use an
0870 number compared to a conventional geographic London 020 number.

The Metropolitan Police do not have a contract with Cable & Wireless, PITO provides national Mutual
Aid Telephony as a national service. National Mutual Aid Telephony is a service provided under
Intelligent Network Services. This is a part of the PNN2 (Police National Network) framework
arrangement that provides wider secure data and telecommunication services to the police. PNN2 users
can call off the service when required or, as in this case, set up a national service.
This contract was set up to provide the police service with ten national non-geographic numbers that
could be set up in fifteen minutes and are capable of handling a large volume of calls generated in the
aftermath of a major incident. This arrangement underpins the national CasWeb system which, in turn,
enables remote and secure access to the HOLMES2 major incident and investigation system. A briefing
on CasWeb is attached for your information.
There is no revenue received from the National Mutual Aid Telephony service by either PITO, the Home
Office or the police service. PITO funds this contract from its own budget. PITO does not hold
information on the revenue shared by individual telecoms operators.
Using an 0870 number rather than a conventional geographic number provides no direct financial benefit
to the council tax payer. However, the establishment of the national Mutual Aid Telephony arrangement
has enabled the efficient handling of large call volumes generated in the aftermath of major incidents.

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NonGeographicalMan
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Re: London Blasts - Using 0870 as Emergency Number
Reply #346 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 4:18pm
 
4. The names of the Metropolitan Police committees and/or individuals responsible within the
Metropolitan Police and/or the Metropolitan Police Authority for allowing the use of this 0870
contact number compared to a conventional geographic 020 telephone number.

The Metropolitan Police joined other forces nationally in adopting the CasWeb system. The decision to
adopt an 0870 number to support CasWeb’s operation was taken by PITO in response to a police
requirement for a telephony arrangement to help manage major incidents. This requirement was
expressed through the national HOLMES2 User Group Executive, comprising representatives from the
Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and across the police service.

5. Copies of any relevant documents or papers provided to decision making committees by
Metropolitan Police senior staff or by the telecoms company terminating calls explaining the
advantages and disadvantages of using an 0870 number versus a conventional geographic 020
number.

The Metropolitan Police were not specifically involved in decisions involving the use of an 0870 number.
The recommendation to use 0870 numbers was made by PITO to the project board in the light of the
tariffs supplied by Cable & Wireless. This was the only option that was cost neutral for forces. It also
ensured that PITO did not have to engage in individual discussions with each of the forces in England,
Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland on costs, allowing the system to be implemented quickly. At the
time the recommendation was made, there was no specific guidance from Ofcom regarding the use of
non-geographic 0870 numbers.

6. An explanation as to whether any consideration was given to the barriers to making these
emergency calls that might be imposed by using an 0870 number, especially for callers on lower
incomes needing to use a BT Payphone or a Pay as You Go mobile phone?

The needs of callers on low incomes or other caller groups were not singled out for specific
consideration in setting up this arrangement. The key consideration in establishing national Mutual Aid
Telephony was to give callers universal, quick and direct access from anywhere within the UK to a
casualty bureau line. At the time that the arrangement was set up, the adoption of an 0870 number was
the lowest cost option to the tax payer as the cost is met by the caller.

The use of 0870 numbers for casualty bureau operation was already under review by PITO shortly
before the London bombings. PITO, the Home Office and the police service have taken note of Ofcom
guidance and public concern at the use of 0870. As a result these numbers will no longer be used for
casualty bureau operation. The Ofcom guidance in question was not available at the time the telephony
arrangement was set up.

7. An explanation of the management structure that exists within the Metropolitan Police Force in
respect of the decision making process on telephony sourcing and supply issues.

PITO does not hold information about decision making structures within the Metropolitan Police.

If you feel your request has not been properly handled or you are otherwise dissatisfied with the outcome of
your request, you have the right to complain. We will investigate the matter and endeavour to reply within 3
– 6 weeks. You should write to PITO Information Services at the following address:

PITO
New King’s Beam House
22 Upper Ground
London SE1 9QY
&#56256;&#56331; 020 8358 5555
&#56256;&#56444; informationdesk@pito.pnn.police.uk
If you are still dissatisfied following our internal review, you have the right under section 50 of the Act to
complain directly to the Information Commissioner at:
FOI Compliance Team (complaints)
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF

Further information about PITO is routinely published on our website at www.pito.org.uk or through our
publication scheme. If you require any further assistance in connection with this request please contact us at
our address above.

Yours sincerely,
Tom McArthur
Director of Operational Services
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NonGeographicalMan
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Re: London Blasts - Using 0870 as Emergency Number
Reply #347 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 4:23pm
 
This is their second attachment on the HOLMES2 and CasWeb system that is used to excuse the use of the 0870 number.

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HOLMES 2 and CasWeb
Background
HOLMES2 is used by the UK police to run major crime enquiries and casualty bureaux
after major incidents. It received final accreditation in October 2001 and two versions
have been released each year since, providing additional functionality requested . It is
Windows-based application and includes:
• Graphical on-screen document mark up and display
• Disclosure
• 'Drag and drop’ action and document management
• Exhibits management
• Free text retrieval
• Resource management
• Incident linking
• Facilities required to run a casualty bureau.
• 'Thin client' and 'thick client' options for HOLMES2.
Casweb is a web-based front end to the HOLMES2 Casualty Bureau application that
has been created to make it easier for forces to help each other out when one force is
dealing with the aftermath of a major disaster. This procedure of forces helping each
other with the management of policing operations is known as 'mutual aid'.
Casweb allows neighbouring forces to create, search and update missing persons,
callers, and record messages on the host force’s casualty bureau incident. This is
done via web servers hosted on the Criminal Justice Extranet (CJX).
The first phase of a new module for CasWeb called MIRWeb was released in June
2005. It provides forces with a mutual aid facility for taking telephone messages from
the public during a high profile murder enquiry.
The CasWeb software has been bought by PITO on behalf of UK police forces. Users
anywhere on the CJX can to connect to CasWeb through internet explorer and log on to
any Casualty Bureau incident which they have been given permission for.
The HOLMES2 Enquiry Officer project will enable officers engaged on major enquires
managed through HOLMES2 to be tasked remotely through mobile technology without
the need to return to the incident room. Officers will also be able to submit reports
directly to the incident room through the mobile technology being tested. The project is a
proof of concept technology demonstrator sponsored by the ACPO Crime Committee
(Homicide Working Group). Unisys has developed HOLMES2 Enquiry Officer web
server software.
Latest Position
HOLMES2 has been rolled out to every force in the UK as well as six additional central
agencies. CasWeb Version 5 includes the facilities to input casualty and
survivor/evacuee records as well as the current functionality for handling missing
persons. The HOLMES2 User Group remains very active and there are currently
working groups in the following areas: analysts, disclosure, security, technical, casualty
bureau business process, training and examination, mobile data, exhibits HOLMES2
futures. Details of contacts for each of these groups can be found on the HOLMES2
website, which is accessible through the HOLMES2 section on the PITO website.
Significant new areas of development under consideration are the use of mobile
technology for enquiry officers, xml interfaces and mutual aid for handling messages on
high profile murder enquiries.
Status
Operational Service
Parent Programme
Service Management &
Support
Last Updated
17-Jun-05
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Milestones/Timetable
HOLMES 2 Version 9 and CasWeb Version 6 (including MIRWeb) were accepted in May
2005.
Funding
For HOLMES2 licences and support and maintenance, forces pay Unisys according to
prices agreed with PITO. Funding for CasWeb has, to date, been provided by PITO.
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Re: London Blasts - Using 0870 as Emergency Number
Reply #348 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 4:33pm
 
lol snap.

Must have had the same FOI's thrown in a tray together to be answered. I got a similar response a short time ago.
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Re: London Blasts - Using 0870 as Emergency Number
Reply #349 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 8:06pm
 
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The use of 0870 numbers for casualty bureau operation was already under review by PITO shortly before the London bombings.
As with the reply to my own FOI request, why do I simply not believe the above statement? This is simply way too convenient and has been used to deflect criticism of Mr Teflon, CEO/PITO and Ms Teflonette at the Home Office. The attempts to cover-up their incompetence is disgraceful.
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Reply #350 - Aug 5th, 2005 at 9:49pm
 
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As with the reply to my own FOI request, why do I simply not believe the above statement? This is simply way too convenient and has been used to deflect criticism of Mr Teflon, CEO/PITO and Ms Teflonette at the Home Office. The attempts to cover-up their incompetence is disgraceful.

But at least Ms Teflon is elected and publicly visible whereas Mr Teflon (aka Webb) is not publicly visible, refuses to answer my emails and is not publicly accountable.  He isn't even accountable to shareholders.  Only to a few senior police officers who all seem to be technology illiterate.
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Reply #351 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 3:35pm
 
Received this from the Home Office this morning in response to my email complaint some time back. I do find it somewhat ironic that it is printed on an official HO letter complete with a 0870 contact number!

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Thank you for your e-mail of 14/07/05 15:11:11 about the use of 0870 numbers to provide Casualty Bureau access to the public in respect of the London bombings.

On 15 July, the Policing Minister (Hazel Blears) announced an urgent review of the use of 0870 numbers in respect of the Casualty Bureau. That review has now taken place and with immediate effect, we have decided to discontinue the use of 0870 numbers for casualty bureau purposes and have arranged to make available 0800 numbers in the future that are free at the point of use to landline customers. However, we recognise there may be a charge to callers from mobile phones and officials have been asked to look at this issue with Ofcom and service providers to establish if it is possible to carry these calls at nil charge. We also understand that 0800 numbers may not be accessible from overseas. We are therefore providing an alternative geographic 020 number, that while primarily for the use of overseas callers, is also available to inland customers, including those with mobile phones, who may find charges lower than the standard rate for 0800.

We have also reviewed the use of 0870 numbers in respect of the core Home Office’s public enquiry service, and concluded that with immediate effect we should switch to a geographical (0207) number. 

Casualty Bureau access numbers are allocated under the terms of a contract made between the Police Information Technology Organisation and Cable and Wireless on behalf of the Police Service. Ofcom and Central Office of Information guidance was not in place when the decision was taken to use a 0870 number.

Please be assured that neither the Home Office, the Police Information Technology Organisation or the Metropolitan Police Service benefited in any way from call revenues generated by the use of the 0870 number. The Policing Minister has written to the leading mobile service providers who have received calls on this number, to ask that they do not charge customers for those calls or, if that is not possible that they donate their profits to charity in support of victims and their families. Those providers have responded making a variety of contributions to the relief effort. Some have made significant donations to the Relief Fund, to the Lord Mayor’s Appeal and to the family assistance centre or have reimbursed customers who have made 0870 calls to the casualty bureau

We have been assured by both Ofcom and the Central Office of Information that arrangements are now in line with their guidance and best practice.
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Reply #352 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 4:08pm
 
Whatever you may say about Ms Blears and governemnt ministers it seems that once the public anger about the matter was drawn to their attention in the national newspapers they did take steps which have led to a comprehensive climb down over the use of 0870.

The comments regarding charges to 0800 numbers from mobiles seem to me significant.  I believe that Ofcom should act to force all the mobile networks to carry calls to approved emergency 0800 numbers, including the AA, RAC, Green Flag and Direct Line breakdown services without charge.  One can understand why the mobile networks would not currently want to allow calls to all 0800 numbers to be carried free of charge.

The climb down over use of 0870 numbers for the home office contact centre suggests to me that if Ofcom does announce anything to ban revenue sharing on 0870 that the implementation date is at least a year away.

I would use your victory with the Home Office to bring more pressure to bear on the Foreign Office on their use of premium rate numbers of one kind and another.

I wonder why Mr Kip Meek at Ofcom has never had time to spot and make proposals that deal with the problems of the iniquitouse charging of 0800 and 084/7x numbers on mobiles for emergency services.  But perhaps he is always too busy planning his next major overseas euro junket, which seems to be what he currently spends most of his time on.
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Reply #353 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 8:18pm
 
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>>We have also reviewed the use of 0870 numbers in respect of the core Home Office’s public enquiry service, and concluded that with immediate effect we should switch to a geographical (0207) number.  <<

Oh dear, 0207  Angry
What will they make of the other parts of 020 (3 and 8 )?
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Reply #354 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 9:48pm
 

They will find 020 3 very confusing given that it can be allocated in either of the former 0171 and 0181 telephone code areas that they so clearly fail to understand have been abolished when they try to use 0207 and 0208.

It is of course the great numeric illiteracy of the Brititish general public on which those in the telecoms industry rely for all of their most elaborate scams.

Sky Digital and the mobile phone companies also seem to have conclusively proved  that many members of the British public cannot multiply £30 or £40 per month by 12. Roll Eyes
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Reply #355 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 10:18pm
 
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Received this from the Home Office this morning in response to my email complaint some time back. I do find it somewhat ironic that it is printed on an official HO letter complete with a 0870 contact number!.....
I received exactly the same response except it wasn't an email but snail-mail and posted it here although I only quoted the paragraph about HO going back to geographical as the other "prepared answer" on the use of 0870 for the bombing helpline had already been mentioned.  I noticed the HO website here still quotes the 0870 number for contact purposes.
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Reply #356 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 11:49pm
 
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I received exactly I noticed the HO website here still quotes the 0870 number for contact purposes.

Must be like Philips who told me they would delete the words "local call rate" on their personal care 0845 customer service line and then mysteriously didn't bother.
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Reply #357 - Aug 10th, 2005 at 2:42pm
 
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The comments regarding charges to 0800 numbers from mobiles seem to me significant.  I believe that Ofcom should act to force all the mobile networks to carry calls to approved emergency 0800 numbers, including the AA, RAC, Green Flag and Direct Line breakdown services without charge.  One can understand why the mobile networks would not currently want to allow calls to all 0800 numbers to be carried free of charge.


The Helplines Association are running a campaign on this very matter.See

http://www.helplines.org.uk/free_crisis_calls.htm

Although they dont cover commercial oganisations.

Also when your at that site see there contact page, and note they are following the ASA guidelines on there 0845 no,and even giving geo alternatives.
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Reply #358 - Aug 10th, 2005 at 3:07pm
 
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Also when your at that site see there contact page, and note they are following the ASA guidelines on there 0845 no,and even giving geo alternatives.

Trade Associations care about public opinion and being seen to do the right thing and setting an example.

Many commercial companies these days seem to care only about making money by absolutely any means they can think of and regardless of ethics.

It is unfortunate to say the least that some governmental organisations and the Police seem to have laboured under the misapprehension that they were in fact commercial companies!
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Reply #359 - Aug 17th, 2005 at 10:24am
 
I emailed Ken Livingston back to respond to his email (published here) and queried a few things in his flawed response.

Here is my email which I sent back to the London Mayer and cc'd several other people from HomeOffice, PITO, etc:-

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Dear Mr Livingston,

Thank you for your email.

I have copied Hazel Blears MP and several other people into the reply of your email to point out some things that I believe are incorrect in your original email and I hope responds to a statement from Hazel Blears that I received courtesy from Anne Spoore/Stephen Rimmer from the HomeOffice.

You state that by using the 0870, the MPS/PITO were able to utilise the resources of all UK police forces.

The above is true but the MPS/PITO could have used an 0800, 0844 or 0845 number and still had EXACTLY the same facilities/options as was provided by the use of an 0870 number.  In fact, Cable&Wireless in a press-release stated that they offered MPS/PITO the option of an 0800, 0844 or 0845 number and all of these would have been cheaper for us to call except MPS/PITO decided to use the 0870 number instead.

Can I ask you to check out the Central Office of Information (COI) guidelines on the use of using 0870.  They advise against the use of such numbers and even state that the lower cost numbers (0800/0844/0845) numbers and geographical numbers (using an advanced network) support intelligent routing the same as the 0870 that was used.

Also the fact that ASA guidelines state that that the cost of calls to 0870/0845 numbers should be published and cannot remain silent (ie not mention the expensive cost) on the cost of the calls.

You state (and I quote), "The MPS would have preferred a number that did not impose a charge on the caller. However, there was no immediate alternative available to the MPS that would have allowed such a volume of calls to be taken in the hours after the terrorist incidents"

This is also not true as the press-release from Cable&Wireless confirmed that the MPS/PITO were offered 0800 freephone and lo-call (084x) options but decided on an 0870 instead.  All of the other options would have been cheaper for us to call (except a freephone 0800 which would be free in most circumstances) than the 0870 that MPS/PITO decided on and yet still offered exactly the same intelligent routing that was used on the 0870 number.

I agree that once the MPS/PITO, after responding to several compliants about the use of the number, did offer a geographical but this was too late and unfortunate people frantically worried about friends/family/loved ones, etc who rung the enquiry line had to pay around 8ppm and upto about 40ppm from a mobile to call it.

Taking into consideration all of the above, I believe the MPS/PITO's decision to use such an expensive number at the time of such tragedy should be investigated especially when despite what you mention in your email, other options (as mentioned by Cable&Wireless' press-release), mentioned that cheaper options were available to MPS/PITO but they decided on an 0870 instead.

So basically, why was an 0870 number used when an 0800 number could have provided the same facilities/options as the more expensive (to us) 0870 number that was used which clearly did not take into account your own governments Central Office of Information (COI) guidelines do not recommend using an 0870 number?

I also would like to add that it has come to light in several newspapers and on the BBC's 'Working Lunch' programme about the use of 0870 as used by the a lot of government departments and a lot of companies has become increasingly popular because it is possible to gain a revenue from such numbers at more cost to us.  In fact, I believe I read that it was either the DVLA or the Passport Office that received over £1 million in revenue from the use of an 0870 number.

Yours sincerely

The above email was sent on 25th July and today I have only just received a response as below:-
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Dear Mr

Thank you for your email to the Mayor, received on 25 July 2005, which he has asked me to reply on his behalf.

I have been informed by the MPS that the government have now agreed all further casualty bureau numbers will be '0800', with a geographic number as well for those unable to use the freephone number. As the Mayor mentioned in his previous email, the MPS did not choose the number - they were allocated it by PITO. Cable and Wireless have agreed to donate all profits from the 0870 casualty bureau number to charity.

Yours sincerely

Nathan Winch
Project Support Officer
Community Safety Team

As expected it never really answered my questions and instead mentioned that they are going to use 0800 and geographical numbers from now on.
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