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Reply #150 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 8:30am
 
It's still there on my browser. Maybe your browser is not updating (see my reply #73 on page 5 of this thread for earlier comments on this problem).  And I can still display the pdf file.
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Reply #151 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 8:38am
 
Again it looks like the 'withelds' are nearly all the 'Yes - men/women'.
Little dissent from the Ofcom line in the main, very fishy.
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Reply #152 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 9:23am
 
kk wrote on Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:42pm:
Hi AJR
For information:
I sent my comment, by email, to Ofcom six days ago, but it has not been listed on the site.
KK


Yep, they took a few days to put mine up onto their database.  Nothing to stop you posting a second one if you think they've missed your first - this has been done by others.
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Reply #153 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 11:34am
 
beginner wrote on Nov 30th, 2005 at 8:38am:
Again it looks like the 'withelds' are nearly all the 'Yes - men/women'.
Little dissent from the Ofcom line in the main, very fishy.



I am the first "withheld" response, and although it is not as indepth as some of the other responses, it is certainly not just a 'Yes man' response.

In fact reading through the proposal and formulating a response took a lot of time, and I am sure a lot of people who only have a passing interest would just give up reading, and just agree that changes need to be made, and any change is better than none, and therefore respond with yes/yes/yes for an easy life :/

Cheers, Des.
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Reply #154 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 3:54pm
 
No offence, DesG, I was only making a general statement about 'most'.  I have read all the 'withelds', over the last weeks, and there certainly are a large proportion who seem to accept all the Ofcom questions unhesitatingly.
Bearing in mind that we all agree these questions are phrased to suit the 'easy reply' - thinking you are doing something by agreeing with them - so folk DO take the easy option, not realising they are then 'statistics fodder'.
How many 'Yes' to Q1 can they claim??  Even though this will allow them to keep 0870 at present charging rates!  Ofcom will be able to say "Nearly 100% agree with us on this".  Clever wording, easy answers.
As I said , no offence intended to yourself.
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Reply #155 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 5:38pm
 
There were 104 new submissions to Ofcom today (Wed Nov 30), taking the total to 752.

You can read the responses here: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/

The new ones are:

Bush D  
Campbell R  
Chaikin Linkekar Z A  
Chinery J  
Cowley M  
Curry S  
Daniels P  
Dayneswood T (2)  
Dayneswood T  
Dinsdale R  
Douglas A  
Dunlop A  
Dyson LS  
Ebrahimoff D  
Edmunds K  
Ferguson D  
Flannery P  
Gardner S  
Glynn T  
Gomersal A  
Graham A  
Harrington D H  
Hickson G  
Hodge E P  
Horsley D  
Hoskins N S  
Jones K  
Jones M  
Kaye Dr. A H  
Kearney K  
Kiely J  
Kirkland A  
Kirkup J  
Kruger T  
Lisansky S  
Marson J  
Matthews H  
May J  
McKenna S  
Middleham N  
Milnes E R  
Mulholland P  
Mummery J  
Name Withheld 100  
Name Withheld 101  
Name Withheld 102  
Name Withheld 103  
Name Withheld 104  
Name Withheld 105  
Name Withheld 106  
Name Withheld 107  
Name Withheld 108  
Name Withheld 109  
Name Withheld 110  
Name Withheld 111  
Name Withheld 112  
Name Withheld 113  
Name Withheld 114  
Name Withheld 85  
Name Withheld 86  
Name Withheld 87  
Name Withheld 88  
Name Withheld 89  
Name Withheld 90  
Name Withheld 91  
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Name Withheld 93  
Name Withheld 94  
Name Withheld 95  
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Name Withheld 99  
O'Brien C  
Padron R  
Pardy T  
Parris M  
Patel M  
Penhallow P  
Pollack D  
Prendergast L J  
Preston Travel Centre  
Rees N W  
Richards G  
Ridout J  
Samanta B  
Saunders A  
Scott C  
Sibbald S  
Sibbald S  
Smithers D  
Stanton J  
Starkey C  
Stephen R  
Stephens P  
Steve and Company Group  
Sullivan E and M E Energy  
Tee K  
Thomas M  
Webber D  
Weir I  
Wilson H  
Wiseberg M  
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Reply #156 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 6:21pm
 
beginner wrote on Nov 30th, 2005 at 3:54pm:
No offence, DesG, I was only making a general statement about 'most'. 


None taken Smiley

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I have read all the 'withelds', over the last weeks, and there certainly are a large proportion who seem to accept all the Ofcom questions unhesitatingly.
Bearing in mind that we all agree these questions are phrased to suit the 'easy reply' - thinking you are doing something by agreeing with them - so folk DO take the easy option, not realising they are then 'statistics fodder'.
How many 'Yes' to Q1 can they claim??  Even though this will allow them to keep 0870 at present charging rates!  Ofcom will be able to say "Nearly 100% agree with us on this".  Clever wording, easy answers.


I have just noticed I didn't actually answer yes or no for Q1, lol. Probably enough reason for them to not count my response statistically!

Cheers, Des.

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Reply #157 - Nov 30th, 2005 at 6:37pm
 
Well done, AJR, for keeping up with all these updates.
Let's hope most are 'singing our tune'!
Must go and have a look.
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Reply #158 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 9:34pm
 
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/sz/steve.pdf

This is actually my grandsons response, from his 'company'. Im still waiting for my response to be posted.
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Reply #159 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 10:09pm
 
mc661 wrote on Dec 1st, 2005 at 9:34pm:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/sz/steve.pdf

This is actually my grandsons response, from his 'company'. Im still waiting for my response to be posted.


What's that 0871 number doing at the top of it?  Regardless of what your grandson may have thought since they have published his response in full it is other 0871 haters who might then have to call it.  It also seems particularly inappropriate to have listed the geographic number as +44 1553 and only for "Overseas" callers.
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Reply #160 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 11:07pm
 
There were 55 new responses today (Dec 1), making a total of 807.

You can read the responses here:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/nts_forward/responses/

These are the new submissions:

Appleford P  
Ashley S  
Avraham S  
Baul T  
Birchall L  
Calder J B  
Cavanagh J  
Clay P  
Cullender C  
Cushing R J  
Dean R  
Dodd M  
Dyer J & P  
Easton J H  
Eccleston A  
Errock D  
Flextel Ltd  
Freedman M  
Freeman D  
Goodwin S  
Grey C  
Guilfoyle S  
Hartley D  
Herd P  
Hutt J W  
Jackson P  
Jones B  
Kaye P  
MacDonald K  
McDermid H J  
Name Withheld 115  
Name Withheld 116  
Name Withheld 117  
Name Withheld 118  
Name Withheld 119  
Name Withheld 120  
Name Withheld 121  
Name Withheld 122  
Name Withheld 123  
Palmer J  
Penny M G  
Player Dr M  
Reed L  
Rees Dr R  
Scott C  
Senior R  
Spetch N  
Steeples S  
Townsley S  
Van Piggelen S  
Wakefield T  
Walton K  
Webb A  
Whiffen R M  
Young D  
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Reply #161 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 9:57am
 
Interesting to read the intelligent response from the industry perspective of Flextel
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Reply #162 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 11:01am
 
AJR wrote on Dec 2nd, 2005 at 9:57am:
Interesting to read the intelligent response from the industry perspective of Flextel


I hope that Ofcom will be putting the 100 or so intelligent responses in a separate pile to read again and again after having merely counted and filed all the responses that just say Yes or in effect just say Yes.
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Reply #163 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 12:54pm
 
I've quoted from Flextel's response below which I agree is considered and also very critical of Ofcom.

I am however slightly confused by Flextel's position.  It seems to me that on the one hand Flextel are saying all revenue sharing should be moved to the '09' range, but on the other hand that 08 numbers can be charged higher than geographic rates and that TCP's should be in control of the rates of 08 numbers ?   I'm no expert on this but you can't have it both ways can you ?  If 08 numbers are charged at a higher rate then isn't that a form of revenue sharing ?

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Price Transparency
Technically it [call cost announcement] is now possible, and some companies do provide it. It is the only logical solution to this problem.
However, it received confidential responses from two of the main carriers (BT and NTL). Naturally, they seemed to infer that it would be prohibitively expensive (over Ł100m). Of course, they would say that, wouldn’t they! It is not in the interests of most OCP’s to provide clear and open pricing, that is why they haven’t done
it. It is no surprise that OCP’s providing Call Price Labelling, somehow have managed to provide it and still retain cheap calls… so much for all that expensive equipment! So, we believe that Ofcom should act in the true interests of the UK consumer and indeed the British economy by implementing what is really required and not be bullied by large OCP’s. Call Price Labelling should be a requirement for all operators, for all calls, anytime.

What else can be done?
Price Transparency would be a major step forward, but there are some other issues addressed throughout this consultation period, which also have merit.
We demonstrated earlier in this document that 08 numbers could cost more than normal geographic numbers because of the value-added nature of the specialist services offered. The variety and choice of both service and CP needs to be maintained for this competitive and innovative market to flourish.
However, there are a couple of areas, which could be considered a hindrance.
Many of the 08 ranges have become used purely for methods of micro-payment to an end user. In this situation the CP isn’t actually providing any added value or specialist service. On this basis we would agree with Ofcom that revenue share should be removed from the 08 range.
This would certainly have consumer benefits:
· Callers would know that they haven’t been put in a call queue just to raise extra revenue.
· Costs for these types of call would be driven down by the competitive market.
· CP’s could develop innovative products and services based on merit alone, without the squeeze
created by revenue sharing pressures from large corporate customers.
The UK national numbering scheme would be simplified and more understandable with just one range of numbers having revenue share.
Revenue share should only be available on Premium Rate numbers.
However, for the above benefits to occur, TCP’s need to be in control of their costs. At present they are not. BT and the regulator fundamentally set the rates and hence the revenue that TCP’s receive, this should not be the case.
This would benefit both consumers and TCP’s:
· TCP’s could choose a tariff most appropriate for the product they are offering.
· TCP’s would have greater confidence in developing and investing.
Consumers and companies will have a greater choice of value added services.
TCP’s should be in control of the rates received on all 08 numbers.





Any feedback appreciated!

One last point, who do you think are the media lobby referred to in the conclusion below???

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We believe the Ofcom proposals are short-term fudges to pacify a media lobby group. Ofcom are not taking an overarching view of the industry and the proposals are contrary to Ofcom’s Strategic Review of Telecommunications. In particular, quoting from the review “Our market research and consultation
suggested that businesses and consumers want much more than basic, reliable telecoms services at low prices: they also want choice, and rapid innovation and introduction of new services.” The Ofcom proposals will kill the very companies that will be able to offer these innovative new services.  Ofcom’s excessive micro-regulation will be anti-competitive and detrimental to innovation. The
proposals put forward by Ofcom only work in the case of primary “backbone” carriers and will force many small telecom operators out of business and also the companies, institutions and charities that they supply. How can this be good for UK consumers and the UK economy? The pricing for all of the UK telecommunications industry needs to be made more transparent to the consumer. This should be the way forward. Consumers need to know the cost of the calls they make and also where that money is going. Give consumers that choice and they will make nformed decisions. This should be the competitive driver that will force down prices and improve quality. With today’s technology, Call Price Labelling is straightforward. In the unlikely event that Ofcom will fail to implement this proposal, then FleXtel will lobby the Press.
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There's more of us that them, stick together and challenge 0870/0845 etc etc
 
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Reply #164 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 12:56pm
 
But (or do I mean and?) FlexTel has been at it a long time; their comments about clarity being particularly relevant.
Their call for a review is timely, but proper control would have rendered such a review unnecessary...
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