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Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:35am
 
The list of "Premium NGN Number" prefixes simply indicates where it that prefix has been found to be charged at a premium by at least one originating operator. It would perhaps be helpful to know which are consistently higher and with which providers and which aren't.

It would also be useful to know what the termination charges are like. The BT Wholesale Carrier Price List gives rates BT pays for termination:

Prefix Communications provider Termination rate(s)
07405
Lycamobile UK Limited[1] 01/12-06/12: 3.015 | 07/12-03/13: 1.5 | 04/13 onwards: 0.848
074060
Cheers International Sales Limited 02/10-03/14: 10 | 04/14 onwards: 0.844
074061
Cheers International Sales Limited 02/10-03/14: 10 | 04/14 onwards: 0.844
074062
Cheers International Sales Limited 02/10-03/14: 10 | 04/14 onwards: 0.844
074063
Vortex Telecom Ltd[1] 01/12-03/12: 3.015 | 04/12-05/12: 2.053 | 05/12-03/13: 1.5 | 04/13 onwards: 0.848
074064
Titanium Limited[2] 05/10-05/12: 10 | 05/12-01/14: 1.5 | 02/14 onwards: 0.848
074065
Telecom2 Ltd 07/10 onwards: 10
074066
24 Seven Communications Ltd 12/11-11/12: 3.015 | 12/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13 onwards: 0.848
074067
TG Support Limited 01/12-05/12: 3.015 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13 onwards: 0.848
074068
08Direct Limited[3] 01/12-05/12: 3.015 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13 onwards: 0.848
074069 CardBoardFish unknown
074171 CardBoardFish unknown
074172
UPA Telecom Ltd[3] 01/12-05/12: 3.015 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13 onwards: 0.848
074176
Proton Telecom Limited[1] 01/12-03/12: 3.015 | 04/12-05/12: 2.053 | 05/12-03/13: 1.5 | 04/13 onwards: 0.848
074177
Rexcom Tech Limited[1] 01/12-03/12: 3.015 | 04/12-05/12: 2.053 | 05/12-03/13: 1.5 | 04/13 onwards: 0.848
074179
Interact Solutions Limited[3] 01/12-05/12: 3.015 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 03/13 onwards: 0.848
074181
Bellingham Telecommunications Limited[3] 02/11 onwards: 10
074182
TG Support Limited 01/12-05/12: 3.015 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13 onwards: 0.848
074185 Telecom North America Mobile Inc[3] 06/11-03/13: 2.984
074186
Ace Call Limited[3] 08/13 onwards: 0.848
074188
Eclipse Tel Limited[1] 01/12-03/12: 3.015 | 04/12-05/12: 2.053 | 05/12-03/12: 1.5 | 04/13: 0.848
074390
TalkTalk Communications Limited 05/11-05/12: 2.984 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13: 0.848
074391 TalkTalk Communications Limited unknown
074409
Cloud9 Communications Limited 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13: 0.848
074410 Sound Advertising Ltd unknown
074411
Andrews & Arnold Ltd[4] 07/11-05/12: 2.66 | 05/12: 1.5
074412 JSC Ingenium (UK) Limited unknown
074413
Stour Marine Limited[1] 01/12-03/12: 3.015 | 04/12-05/12: 2.053 | 05/12-03/13: 1.5 | 04/13: 0.848
074414 Ofcom says not allocated 06/11-09/11: 10
074415 Synectiv Ltd unknown
074417 Synectiv Ltd unknown
074418
Core Telecom Limited 06/11-04/13: 2.984 | 05/13: 0.848


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Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:39am
 
…continued

Prefix Communications provider Termination rate(s)
074419
Voxbone SA 10/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13: 0.848
074515 Premium O Limited unknown
074516 UK Broadband Limited unknown
074517 UK Broadband Limited unknown
074572 Marathon Telecom Limited unknown
074574 Voicetec Systems Ltd unknown
074577 Spacetel UK Ltd unknown
074578 CardBoardFish unknown
074579 CardBoardFish unknown
074580 SSE Energy Supply Limited unknown
074581 SSE Energy Supply Limited unknown
074582 Premium Routing GmbH unknown
074583 Virgin Mobile Telecoms Limited unknown
074584
Airwave Solutions Ltd[1] 09/13 onwards: 0.848
074588 Limitless Mobile Ltd unknown
074653 Compatel Ltd unknown
074655 Netfuse Telecom Ltd unknown
075200 Ofcom says not allocated 01/12-03/12: 3.015 | 04/12-05/12: 2.053 | 05/12-03/13: 1.5 | 04/13: 0.848
075201 BT OnePhone Limited unknown
075203
Subhan Universal Limited[5] 12/11 onwards: 2.984
075204
Core Communication Services Ltd 11/07 onwards: day=9.08 / eve=8.204 / wkend=2.51
075205 Esendex Limited unknown
075206
Tismi BV 08/11-05/12: 2.984 | 05/12-04/13: 1.5 | 05/13: 0.848
075207
(aq) Limited trading as aql[4] 06/11-05/12: 2.66 | 05/12: 1.5


I stopped due to the time it was taking to compile!

In the following instances the Communications Provider to which the prefix is allocated differs from the inter-connecting Network Operator given in the BT Wholesale Carrier Price List:
[1] Vodafone (CW) Limited
[2] UK Number Store Limited
[3] Core Telecom Limited
[4] Telephony Services Limited
[5] Ayat Solutions Limited

Coloured number prefixes indicate the following:

green
— termination rate is already ~0.84ppm
amber
— termination rate is higher than 0.84ppm, but is listed as dropping to ~0.84ppm by 04/14
red
— termination rate is higher than 0.84ppm and is currently not listed as dropping any further
black — unknown, or apparently no longer allocated


Those which are "unknown" do not appear in the BT Wholesale Carrier Price List Section B1: Telephony Part 1.02.1. I wonder if either they are covered in a different Part, or more likely that they are not set-up to receive voice calls.

It should be emphasised here that these are the rates BT pays for termination. We have no idea how much other operators pay, although BT may be used as a transit operator for those OCPs which don't have a direct connection to some TCPs.
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Reply #17 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:51am
 
I don't think that the fact that quite a few of these have dropped to around 3ppm, followed by 1.5ppm and then 0.84ppm is a coincidence. There was a consultation a few years back on reductions to mobile termination rates and it is maybe worth looking back at it. It looks to me as if the outcome of that has been the reigning in of the operators' charges for termination, as I think the above suggests.

One question: are all of these numbers intended for private users? What made me wonder about this is the presence of "SSE Energy Supply Limited" prefixes. Might these be use for SIMs that are used for data purposes in smart meters? There are other applications where mobile data is required (no voice calls) such as road signs.

In such cases an originating communications provider could perhaps list the prefix as not being covered by a bundle simply because it isn't (but voice calls are never made to it either).

It would be helpful if someone in the know could indicate as to whether this is a possible explanation for the existance of some of these prefixes or not.
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Reply #18 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:54am
 
The short answer to my question is, it's yet another Ofcom mess.... "Stick you finger in the air and whistle."

One of my providers [Virgin] does not even list the cost of calls to these extra premiium 07XXX prefix numbers. At least in the 30-40 mins readign all their tariff cards I couldn't find it.

It seems you dial, wait for the bill, and cough-up.
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Reply #19 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:09am
 
Dave wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 11:42pm:
bbb_uk wrote on Mar 1st, 2014 at 6:07pm:
It would have been a lot easier if Ofcom would have specifically said certain number ranges are actual personal mobile numbers and certain other range is this WiFi service (as defined by BT).
What is the difference between these numbers on which this distinction could have been made?
Some OCPs have found the distinction between these type of numbers but looking at your list, calls to 07405 have the same termination rate as an actual mobile so at least in this situation, it's mostly OCP's imposing higher retail rates especially for the larger OCP's.  Yes, the smaller OCPs may have to pay other third parties to carry the call but surely then if this is true these smaller OCPs also have to pay the same amount to carry call to actual "non-premium" mobile numbers surely?

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Reply #20 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:41am
 
Dave wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:51am:
One question: are all of these numbers intended for private users? What made me wonder about this is the presence of "SSE Energy Supply Limited" prefixes. Might these be use for SIMs that are used for data purposes in smart meters? There are other applications where mobile data is required (no voice calls) such as road signs.

In such cases an originating communications provider could perhaps list the prefix as not being covered by a bundle simply because it isn't (but voice calls are never made to it either).
I think you're right.  It looks like the 074580 range could well be used for smart meters but BT wouldn't anyhow would they if it's just used for data?
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Reply #21 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 11:02am
 
SSE Energy Supply are their phone wing
See: http://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/compare.htm?xid=67410&idx=ra&operator=9367

Possibly were going to start their own MVNO.
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Reply #22 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:13pm
 
bbb_uk wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:09am:
Some OCPs have found the distinction between these type of numbers but looking at your list, calls to 07405 have the same termination rate as an actual mobile so at least in this situation, it's mostly OCP's imposing higher retail rates especially for the larger OCP's.  Yes, the smaller OCPs may have to pay other third parties to carry the call but surely then if this is true these smaller OCPs also have to pay the same amount to carry call to actual "non-premium" mobile numbers surely?

We have no idea on what basis 07405 was placed on the list of "Premium NGN Numbers" — a term which implies that the premium is part and parcel of the number. All other Lycamobile prefixes do not appear on that list.

I would suggest that the higher retail call prices that still prevail are a remnant of when the termination charges were higher than to the other "main" operators. While OCPs "could" reduce prices as termination rates have fallen they are profit-making companies, so if there is no pressure on them to do so then they won't. This, I believe, is what's happened.

If the reduction in termination charges is as a result of the initiative by the Regulator then maybe the next step, perhaps at some point in the future, is for it to introduce a requirement for all Mobile Service numbers to be charged inline with one another from all OCPs.

I note that, for example, while BT charges all fm bands the same, fw prefixes still attract a myriad of charges (07405 is fw7).
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Reply #23 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:54pm
 
Dave wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:13pm:
If the reduction in termination charges is as a result of the initiative by the Regulator then maybe the next step, perhaps at some point in the future, is for it to introduce a requirement for all Mobile Service numbers to be charged inline with one another from all OCPs.
That is an idea and would provide consistency for all "mobile" numbers.

The problem, I can imagine will be, that OCPs will moan.  I remember when Ofcom thought about 03x numbers and linking them to geographical numbers (price wise) and OCPs moaned about Ofcom setting prices.  Ofcom managed to get away with that by stating they were just insisting 03x numbers get treated same price as geographical.
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Reply #24 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
bbb_uk wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:54pm:
Dave wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 6:13pm:
If the reduction in termination charges is as a result of the initiative by the Regulator then maybe the next step, perhaps at some point in the future, is for it to introduce a requirement for all Mobile Service numbers to be charged inline with one another from all OCPs.
That is an idea and would provide consistency for all "mobile" numbers.

The problem, I can imagine will be, that OCPs will moan.  I remember when Ofcom thought about 03x numbers and linking them to geographical numbers (price wise) and OCPs moaned about Ofcom setting prices.  Ofcom managed to get away with that by stating they were just insisting 03x numbers get treated same price as geographical.

The retail cost of calling different landline operators is the same, something which is entirely voluntary. The same goes for the most popularly-called mobile operators.

Ofcom has already laid the foundations in that termination rates have been brought into line. The OCPs could well have a case if this hadn't happened and I could not support a requirement for uniform retail prices when termination charges are all over the place.
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Reply #25 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:27am
 
The new Ofcom numberplan that comes into effect in June 2015 has in the allocations table an extra column headed 'tariff principles'. So far only the 030, 033, 034, 037, 080, 084, 087, 090, 091, 098, 116 and 118 entries are filled in. It's possible that new tariff rules covering calls to 07 numbers will eventually be introduced. Ofcom have already indicated they intend to review 070 and 076 numbers.

The many current pricing exceptions for various mobile and other 07 numbers make these as much a minefield as the current pricing policies for calling 084 and 087 numbers. Ofcom have moved (albeit very slowly) to fix many of the issues with 08 and 09 numbers. Here's hoping that robust measures will be considered for dealing with the retail pricing of calls to 07 numbers. Simplification is needed.
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Reply #26 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 7:51pm
 
Ian G wrote on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:27am:
..Ofcom have already indicated they intend to review 070..
Last time they reviewed 070 there was uproar from what must have been very few users of 070 numbers (in comparison to other number ranges) so nothing was done to stop the confusion of have personal number 070 begin similar to mobiles.

I know the likes of patientline, alarm companies that used 070 as contact numbers.

Last year I even saw a driving instructor school have a 070 as a contact number.  I thought that was bad as how many people will have have fallen victim to that and been charged a premium.
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Reply #27 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 1:10am
 
We must remember that when mobile phones came in off-net calls (that's calls to other networks) cost more than on-net calls (calls to the same network). Now the distinction is pretty much unheard of.

In respect of the Mobile Service numbers which some retailers impose a premium for calling, they are off-net calls.
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Reply #28 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 5:57pm
 
Dave wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 1:10am:
We must remember that when mobile phones came in off-net calls (that's calls to other networks) cost more than on-net calls (calls to the same network). Now the distinction is pretty much unheard of.
I remember those days.

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In respect of the Mobile Service numbers which some retailers impose a premium for calling, they are off-net calls.
That is also true but then these same retailers don't charge premiums for calling off-net calls now except for the odd number ranges.
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Reply #29 - Jun 27th, 2017 at 8:49pm
 

The issues discussed in this thread have been largely addressed by Ofcom in the intervening years, though the work is not yet entirely completed.


Ofcom has for many years imposed a cap on mobile termination rates and reduced it on an annual basis, usually on 1 April. The cap used to apply only to calls terminating on the main mobile networks. Other mobile providers were told to charge "fair and reasonable rates" but not all did so. Some of these were call-forwarding services where the high termination charge paid for provision of the service. Others were small mobile providers where imposing a high termination charge on incoming calls allowed that mobile provider to charge their own customers a lower rate for outgoing calls. The price to pay was that calls to these smaller providers were excluded from inclusive allowances when called from elsewhere.

Many years ago, LycaMobile was one of those with high termination rates. Calls to their numbers were non-inclusive from almost all providers. Even after they dropped their termination rates, other providers continued to treat their numbers as non-inclusive. Years later, some still do.


When the termination rate cap set by Ofcom dropped again in 2015 (this time unusually on 1 May) the cap was extended to cover all UK mobile numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079. In theory, from this point on, inclusive allowances should be covering all UK mobile numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079 but in practice this did not happen. There are a number of reasons for this.

UK landline and mobile providers have not, in general, updated their lists of excluded number ranges. In fact, some have lists that have remained largely unaltered for almost a decade. In some cases this indicates non-compliance with the termination rate cap by various mobile number rangeholders. In other cases, the termination rate has dropped but some providers have failed to notice the change and adjust their retail call charges, or have noticed it and are now profiteering on these calls.

In April 2017, Ofcom opened an investigation into a small number of mobile providers not complying with the cap on mobile termination rates.


The various MTR reductions mean that since 1 April 2016 the rates for calls to mobile numbers have been slightly lower than for calls to 03 numbers. The result of this is that most landline providers now routinely offer inclusive calls to mobile numbers in their "anytime" call plans. BT is the only major landline provider to not offer this. As noted above, not all UK mobile numbers are included in allowances. There are numerous exceptions detailed in the list of included number ranges.


Due to high termination rates, calls to mobile numbers in CI and IoM have been excluded from inclusive allowances when called from the UK. Authorities in each of those places have been reducing the maximum allowed termination rates, but lagging the UK changes.

The most recent work has seen the mandated reductions in CI and IoM termination rates being set on an accelerated path. These reductions mean that the CI and IoM termination rates are expected to be commensurate with UK termination rates in 2018.

Ofcom now proposes that from April 2018 onwards, the CI and IoM termination rates will be set by Ofcom and be set at the same rate as the UK termination rates.

By next year, we should reach the point where all numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079 are inclusive in call allowances from almost all landline and mobile providers.


Almost a decade ago, Ofcom started reviewing non-geographic numbers starting 03, 05, 070, 076, 08, 09, 116 and 118.

The largest chunk of work looked at 08, 09, 116 and 118 numbers and resulted in 080 and 116 numbers becoming free-to-caller from all landlines and mobiles and introduction of the "unbundled tariff" for calls to 084, 087, 09 and 118 numbers.

Another strand confirmed and reinforced that the rules for 03 numbers do not permit revenue sharing of any type, either with the called party or with the caller.

The 0500 range also came into focus, and was withdrawn from use on 5 June 2017. Existing users were offered the matching number starting 0808 5 and had been given three years to make the change.

The final piece of work covering numbers starting 055, 056, 070 and 076 is yet to be started. Hopefully, it will lead to getting rid of the 070 range. The fact that pagers are disappearing will free up the 076 range in the not too distant future. These factors should mean that eventually all numbers starting 07 are mobile numbers and all are included in allowances.

Finally, with very low usage a case could be made for removal of the 055 and 056 ranges - perhaps migrated to and merged with the 03 range.


The end result could be a very simple number plan and call charge regime.

Inclusive in allowances: 01, 02, 03, 07 ... thereafter a "standard" rate.

Free-to-caller: 080, 116.

Premium rate: 084, 087, 090, 091, 098, 118 ... with an additional "Service Charge".

This is perhaps still at least a couple of years away.


Some final tidying up might see the old 0908 and 0909 'adult' entertainment services ranges migrated to somewhere in the newer 098 allocation.

For a number of reasons it might make sense to migrate Guernsey, Isle of Man and Jersey mobile numbers to the 0761x, 0762x and 0763x ranges and condense the various mobile porting codes into the 0760xx ranges.

With declining usage, the final step might be closure of the 084 and 087 ranges.
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