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Re: West Mercia Constabulary launches new number
Reply #165 - Nov 3rd, 2008 at 8:34pm
 
jrawle wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 7:56pm:
If you're on BT and you make calls to the police regularly, the 03 number will presumably be added to "Friends and Family Auto Update" in which case it would be cheaper! A bit contrived, but you did set the challenge!  Wink


But surely 01 and 02 numbers are also subject to Friends and Family Auto Update? Huh

Of course the fork tongued like nature of BT means that for cynical reasons of their own they have now chosen to make 0845 numbers cheaper to call in the daytime than 01, 02 or 03 numbers.  That is for those on whatever BT Option 1 is now called.

Of course for those now on whatever BT have now renamed Option 3 to then 01, 02 and 03 numbers are cheapest at all times.
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Re: Police introduce charges for non-emergency cal
Reply #166 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:03am
 
NGMsGhost wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 3:36pm:
When exactly will it ever be cheaper to call an 03 number than one starting 01 or 02?

This is a good question for us to ponder.

The Ofcom regulations for 03 were framed very simply in a form that we understand and celebrate. They do not specifically take account of issues like F&F discounts, nor the handfull of 01 numbers that are charged differently.

If 03 (or perhaps 030) becomes recognised as THE range for public service numbers at some point in the future there is a possibility that charges for calls to these will be held down as charges for calls to geographic numbers rise for those who do not sign up for inclusive packages. There is perhaps some element of this sort of consideration (amongst others) in the fact that BT has held down 0845 charges.

If charges for 03 were to fall below those for 01 and 02 (for some callers), would we be condemning those who used "ripoff" geographic numbers, as 03 could never be more expensive?

We are invited to look to the future, where I see inclusive packages increasingly taking over from call charges. Also noting current trends we see continuing growth of mobile useage. This is reflected in BT's recent price cut for subscribers to its "inclusive" discount package, challenges to the high termination rates and yet more radical proposals from the EU. We could see a time when the cost of calling a mobile was the same as (or less than) that of calling a geographic "landline" number.

I have always believed that the present regulations for 03 only work in the market as it is today. Who knows what changes may be needed in 12, 24 or 60 months time?

It is therefore perhaps more important that we encourage as many as possible to migrate to 03 swiftly, so that it will be worth preserving when its position comes under threat. It is also vital to do this so as to demonstrate the odd nature of revenue sharing numbers that are not classified as used for "premium rate services". Apart from the dial-up ISPs, who have always been a special case, the grubby band who profit from revenue sharing without being in any way accountable need to be exposed.

I recognise that not all will share my views. There are some who believe that the mobile telecomms bubble will burst with disasterous results. It may have lasted longer than other bubbles, but that is no guarantee that it will last for ever.
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Re: Police introduce charges for non-emergency cal
Reply #167 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:35pm
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:03am:
If charges for 03 were to fall below those for 01 and 02 (for some callers), would we be condemning those who used "ripoff" geographic numbers, as 03 could never be more expensive?


Not really, as that would be like saying now that companies are using "rip-off geographical numbers" when they could be using freephone. Even if 01 becomes more expensive than 03 on some tariffs, the company won't be earning a revenue share.
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Reply #168 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:23pm
 
Source: Kidderminster Shuttle

http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/3814750.Police_launch_new_non_emergen...

Police launch new non-emergency number

6:10pm Monday 3rd November 2008

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WEST Mercia Constabulary is launching a new non-emergency telephone number - 0300 333 3000.

The new number, introduced in line with Ofcom recommendations, has been chosen as it is easy to remember and dial and will reduce the cost of calling the police force in a non-emergency situation.

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Chief Supt John Jones, head of contact management and service quality, said: “Residents should still dial 999 in an emergency but for all other enquiries should now use 0300 333 3000.

“The move to a 03 prefixed number follows public feedback about the cost of using a 08 prefixed number and is in line with recommendations from the Office of Communications (Ofcom) which established 03 numbers to help eliminate public confusion over call costs.”

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Reply #169 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:40pm
 
Source: Larne Times

http://www.larnetimes.co.uk/news/Glenarm-police-station-number-has.4660074.jp

Glenarm police station number has been discontinued
Published Date:  06 November 2008

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POLICE are advising the public that the local phone number for Glenarm police station was discontinued at the weekend.
A message advising callers to contact the police on the non-emergency number 0845 600 8000 will be in place for three months.

The single non-emergency phone number 0845 600 8000 was introduced in 2005 to make it easier for members of the public to contact their local police no matter where they are in Northern Ireland. Members of the public can dial this number and be directed to the most appropriate station or person.

The non-emergency number is considered beneficial to the public as it is just one number for everywhere in Northern Ireland, offers low cost calls charged at local rates, is easy to remember and can be saved on a mobile for use anywhere in Northern Ireland.

Police stress, however, that it is important to realise the 0845 600 8000 number is a non-emergency facility. If the call relates to an emergency, people should always dial 999.
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Re: Police introduce charges for non-emergency cal
Reply #170 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:49pm
 
More lies on call charges.............


Source: Hemel Today

http://www.hemeltoday.co.uk/news/1000-calls-a-day-to.4650836.jp

1,000 calls a day to police helpline
Published Date: 31 October 2008

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More than 1,000 calls a day are made to a police non-emergency line, Herts Constabulary said.
The force launched its non-emergency number in October 2004 to replace 20 separate police telephone numbers for non-999 matters.

And according to the Constabulary, four years on the line, 0845 3300222, is receiving an average of 32,000 calls a month.

Jason Baxter, deputy contact centre manager at Herts Police, said: "Remember you can use 0845 3300222 for all general inquiries, and advice and information, as well as to report a crime."

He added: "In an emergency, such as to report a crime that is in progress, or an ongoing incident where there is a risk of serious injury or damage, always use 999."

Calls to the Herts Police non-emergency number 0845 3300222 are charged at local rates, but the cost of calls from mobile phones may vary.
For more information see www.herts.police.uk
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Reply #171 - Nov 9th, 2008 at 6:08pm
 
A story on West Mercia's change in the Redditch Standard:

http://www.redditchstandard.co.uk/news60820.html
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Reply #172 - Nov 23rd, 2008 at 9:08pm
 
0345 6060606 is now in service and answered by West Yorkshire Police!

They were one of the first forces to switch to 0845 in the late 90s. We await confirmation of when the official launch will be.
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Reply #173 - Nov 23rd, 2008 at 9:27pm
 
Finally! I've been wondering how long it would take them to switch...
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Reply #174 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 7:53pm
 
Source: Derbyshire Constabulary

http://www.derbyshire.police.uk/news/1273.html

Derbyshire Constabulary changes its non-emergency number following an Ofcom recommendation

Derbyshire police have launched a new telephone number following a recommendation from the Office of Communications.

The force has changed just one digit of its existing number to make the new number easier for people to remember.

The number, 0345 123 3333, will be the new non-emergency number from Monday, December 1. People can ring it to speak about any policing matter which is not a 999 emergency.

It has been introduced following guidance given to all public sector organisations by the Office of Communications (Ofcom) to help eliminate public confusion over call costs.

It replaces the former number of 0845 123 3333.

Under the new system callers will pay no more than they do for calling geographical numbers which begin 01 and 02. This is not true of 0845 prefixed numbers where costs can vary. The 0345 number can also be included as part of call packages.

Deputy Chief Constable Alan Goodwin said: "The old number could not be used as part of a free-call package and it was expensive to ring from mobile telephones.

"The old number will gradually be phased out, but it will be operational for around two years while people get used to calling our new number."

On average, call operators at Derbyshire Constabulary answer 842,000 non-emergency calls each year. The average time taken to pick up the call is less than 14 seconds. More than 152,000 999 calls are answered within three seconds, making Derbyshire Constabulary the sixth best performing in the country.
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Re: Police introduce charges for non-emergency cal
Reply #175 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 7:56pm
 
Good news, let us hope Sussex police take note and follow this example. Smiley
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Reply #176 - Dec 12th, 2008 at 6:32pm
 
Source: Nottinghamshire Police Authority

http://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/npa/files/meetings/51/B1%20-%20Minutes%20of...

MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE
HELD ON WEDNESDAY 1 OCTOBER 2008 AT 10.00 AM


ii)      Single Non-Emergency Number (SNEN)            

Chief Inspector Burton informed members of the advantages of a SNEN which included: ease of use, (as against the current 12 numbers advertised across Nottinghamshire); elimination of dormant STD lines (thus saving money); more equality of cost to the user (currently, some callers were charged at national rates); and less abuse of the emergency number (some calls were made when a non-emergency number was not known).  

The change to a SNEN would help with accessibility, would increase ease of contact and provide a unique, memorable number, which should increase public satisfaction in line with the Policing for You agenda.

Although an 0845 number could be used, as was the case in several parts of the country, this would mean charging the caller at expensive, national rates.  The preferred option was an 0300 number.  This would be issued by OFCOM and was non-profitable, not for business use and equal in cost across the UK.  Part of the cost, estimated at £25k - £30k, would be met by the force and this anticipated up to a 5% increase in demand. It was expected to increase public confidence.

Members supported the view that appropriate publicity, emphasising the benefits, would be needed before the number was launched.  This could include use of the precept leaflet which was already distributed to every household in Nottinghamshire so would incur no extra costs. Adequate infrastructure including customer service desk and switchboard capabilities should also be in place.
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Reply #177 - Dec 12th, 2008 at 8:01pm
 
Dave wrote on Dec 12th, 2008 at 6:32pm:
Although an 0845 number could be used, as was the case in several parts of the country, this would mean charging the caller at expensive, national rates.  The preferred option was an 0300 number.

I like it, although they still don't get things right by claiming there is still something called "national rate". But it's better than "local rate", which implies a low-cost call.

This is one of those statements we should save to quote to other police forces or organisations that use 0845.
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Reply #178 - Dec 12th, 2008 at 8:10pm
 
Dave wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 4:42pm:
West Midlands Police Authority
Meeting of Finance & Resources Committee
8 May 2008

http://www.west-midlands-pa.gov.uk/documents/committees/public/2008/01a_Financea...

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47.     NON-EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NUMBER

The Chief Constable submitted a report (Interleaved No.4).

Members considered the report and noted that:
  • West Midlands Police had undertaken a major review of its telephone handling arrangements during 1999-2001 due to the low satisfaction from callers and feedback from partners.
  • In addition to the infrastructure, technology and software changes that had been implemented there would be a single non-emergency call number which would deal with the issue immediately or pass it on to the relevant Operational Command Unit or department. OCU
  • This was the launch of the 0845 113 5000 number
  • Since then the government had also been considering a national single non-emergency number (SNEN) 101. However despite some pilots, Home Office funding for this scheme was removed.
  • Since the implementation of 0845 113 5000 in 2002 around 1.7million people have used it on average per year with satisfaction and performance levels showing improvement.
  • When implemented the 0845 number had a cost rate similar to a local call even though it could be made anywhere.
  • Revised costing for calls, particularly 'bundles' where 0845 numbers are excluded, mean that some callers have had to pay to call the 0845 number when they feel that is should be free as part of their bundle. The cost to call an 0845 depends upon the service provider.
  • West Midlands Police received a revenue of around £23,000 from NTL Telewest service provider during 2007-08
  • There are four possible options going forward for West Midlands.
  • To move to the national 101 number. This would require joined up working with the seven local authorities with potential funding and technology issue.
  • To move to use 0800 free phone number at an estimated annual cost of £412k to West Midlands Police. Also mobile phone users would still have to pay towards the cost of the call.
  • To move to use the 0300/0345 numbers. These would still result in a cost to West Midlands Police but at a discounted rate of around £90-100k per annum. Mobile phone callers would again incur a cost but 0300/0345 numbers are included in 'bundle' packages.
  • To return to an 0121 number. This would no additional costs to West Midlands Police and would be included in 'bundle' packages.  Use of the 0845 number could continue alongside this. There was some concern that some people in noon 0121 areas within the West Midlands may feel disenfranchised by dialling 0121 to speak to their 'local' police. An 0121 number would also make it easier to contact from abroad.
  • Use of the 0845 number was a disincentive to irresponsible callers.

    RESOLVED:
    a)      That the Committee note the submitted report.
    b)      That a further report be received in six months time with fuller costings that could form part of the planning for the 2009-10 budget.


Further to the minutes of the meeting of the Finance & Resources Committee of West Midlands Police Authority, I have discovered the report submitted to that meeting by the Chief Constable:

http://www.west-midlands-pa.gov.uk/documents/committees/public/2008/09_Financean...

Finance and Resources Committee
8 May 2008

NON-EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NUMBER
Report of the Chief Constable

4. IMPLICATIONS FOR CHANGING THE 0845.

4.3 Moving to the use of the 0800 number (free call) has an estimated cost of £412k p.a. to West Midlands Police. This is based on a landline charge of 4.73 ppm to West Midlands Police. Users of Mobile phones would still have to pay an additional cost of 12 ppm in addition to the charge to West Midlands Police.

4.4 The use of the 0300 / 0345 number is being made available to all 0845 users and would mean that a call made under this local number would be charged to West Midlands Police albeit at a discounted rate. 0300 / 0345 numbers would be included in "bundle packages and therefore would be free to those users. There would be an estimated charge to West Midlands Police for this service of £90-100« pa. Again, phone calls from mobile phones would incur the caller with an additional cost from the service provider.

4.5 Re-instating a 0121 number would mean no additional costs to WMP other than marketing and awareness (a recent campaign to re-launch the 0845 cost £10,000). There would be no costs to people in the West Midlands area that have a bundle of free local calls. Use of the current 0845 number could still be used as the prime contact number as it has better inbuilt network resilience and stats etc and can prevent local regional issues. In the past it was thought that people in Coventry, Wolverhampton etc may feel disenfranchised if they had to dial a Birmingham number (0121) to talk to their "local" police. This would also overcome connection issues when ringing from abroad, as not all countries recognise 0845 or even the 101 or 0300/45 codes. However to phone 0121 from a distance would Incur additional costs for the caller in the UK, unlike 0845.
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Reply #179 - Dec 13th, 2008 at 12:59pm
 
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However to phone 0121 from a distance would Incur additional costs for the caller in the UK, unlike 0845.

Same old lies!
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After years of ignoring govt. guidelines & RIPPING OFF Council Tax payers using 0845 numbers, Essex County Council changed to 0345 numbers on 2 November 2015
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