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Reply #180 - Dec 13th, 2008 at 8:48pm
 
I note from Dave's posting yesterday ref (http://www.west-midlands-pa.gov.uk/documents/committees/public/2008/09_Financean...) page 2 of the Chief Constable's report, item 3.4, third paragraph. Quote "But 0845 was a  universal number i.e. not related to geography and would always be charged at a local rate. no matter where (in the world) the call was made. Interesting but probably wrong!!!!
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Reply #181 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 3:52pm
 
Yup, originally local rate (when we had differential charging), but with no guarantee of international carriage.
This latter point important when most carriers only delivered +44 1X, +44 2X and +44 7X. They barred anything else at their end to control costs and to reduce risks of fraud.
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Reply #182 - Feb 2nd, 2009 at 9:48pm
 
Last April Tayside Police adopted a 0845 number. Consideration is now being given to changing to a 0300 prefixed number!


http://www.tayside.police.uk/jbpub/260109TJPBPapers.pdf

TAYSIDE JOINT POLICE BOARD
MONDAY 26 JANUARY 2009 AT 9.30AM
TOWN & COUNTY HALL, FORFAR


Agenda Item No 8
TAYSIDE JOINT POLICE BOARD
26 January 2009
Report by Chief Constable Report No. PB04/2009

SUBJECT : Implementation of an 0300 non-emergency number for Tayside Police

Abstract : Following recent developments in the telecommunications market, this report recommends the adoption of an 0300 telephone number as the primary non-emergency number for Tayside Police.

1. RECOMMENDATION

1.1 It is recommended that the Board:
(a) note the terms of this report
(b) note the change in circumstances which underpin the proposal to migrate to an 0300 non-emergency number
(c) approve the proposals to implement an 0300 non-emergency number for Tayside Police


2. BACKGROUND

2.1 In April, 2008, as part of the drive to introduce improvements to how calls from the public were handled within the Force, Tayside Police introduced an interactive voice response system to route public telephone calls in a more appropriate mechanism from that previously used. In order to support this change, the Force introduced an 0845 telephone number, namely 0845 600 5705, to provide a single non-emergency number across the whole Force.

2.2 This number was chosen as a part of a number range made available through a contract between Grampian Police, on behalf of ACPOS, and B.T. 0845 telephone numbers are non-geographic which means all calls should be dealt with in the same manner and at the same cost irrespective of where the call originates. The rationale behind the move to an 0845 telephone number was to provide an improved service at no additional cost to the public. It should be noted that at the time of that contractual negotiation there was no 0300 or other like number range available for consideration.

2.3 When first negotiated with B.T. the 0845 number was known as “LoCall”, as under the original B.T. home phone contracts, it attracted a local call rate. However, with the ever growing range of telecommunications companies and their various charging policies, these 0845 calls, in some instances were excluded from call packages and started to attract additional costs to the end user. The cost to mobile phone users can also be significantly higher to any “08” numbers, including 0845 and 0800 numbers even though 0800 numbers are often referred to as freefone.

2.4 Tayside Police publicised the 0845 number with a leaflet drop to every local household in June/July, 2008 and during this period the call volume of the 0845 number peaked at 7500, approximately 25% of the non-emergency calls into the Force. However, since that date the number of calls has fallen each month to approximately 6500 calls in November.


3. CURRENT POSITION

3.1 OFCOM (the independent regulator and competition authority for the UK communications industry) is aware of concerns regarding additional costs to end users associated with “08” numbers and has introduced a range of numbers with an 0300 and 0303 prefix. These numbers are only available to public bodies and “not for profit” organisations. The new “03” range has the same attributes as the “08” numbers including multiple geographic routings, however the cost to call the “03” numbers is set at a standard local or national rate so there is nothing ambiguous about what the public will be charged for calling these numbers.

3.2 Despite extensive unforeseen additional publicity it is clear that the Tayside Police single non-emergency number has not received the uptake the Force would have wished. There could be a number of reasons for this but it is considered the following are relevant:
o The number is not sufficiently memorable. This was obviously outwith the Force’s control as it fell within the national procurement of the 0845 number range.
o The fact that “08” numbers cost more.
o The fact that the number is not yet published within the telephone directory.

3.3 The UK Government has previously attempted to introduce a single non-emergency number (101) solution for a range of services which cut across local authorities and the Police. It had been hoped that in time this service would be expanded to cover all non-emergency contact with Public Services. ACPOS and the Scottish Government have been monitoring the development of the 101 pilots in England and Wales with a view to exploring the feasibility of introducing the same, or a similar service in Scotland. However, pilots of the 101 service have proved expensive and doubts have been raised over the value of this approach. In a recent response to the Scottish Parliament’s Audit Committee the Cabinet Secretary for Justice stated that the Scottish Government is not convinced that the considerable expense in terms of funding and organisational change needed to install a national single non-emergency number would be justified by the possible benefits. The Cabinet Secretary favours the development of local solutions to meet public demand. Without the support of Government and additional funding any roll out of a 101 type service in Scotland appears extremely unlikely.

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Reply #183 - Feb 2nd, 2009 at 9:49pm
 
...continued

3.4 In December 2008 the NHS publicly urged all GP practices to move towards the inception of the 0300 style numbers to overcome perceived concerns regarding the cost of mobile phone use on “08” prefixed numbers.

3.5 The Force has moved quickly to take advantage of new “memorable” numbers now available and has reserved the number 0300 111 2222, without cost, until the end of January 2009. It is considered this number is much more memorable than the existing 0845 number and being in the 0300 range overcomes the negative issues regarding the use of 08 prefixed numbers.


4. PROPOSAL

4.1 It is recommended that the Force moves away from the use of the 0845 number and migrates to the new 0300 number in a planned and structured manner.

4.2 It is recognised that changing from the 0845 number so soon will require careful management and effective marketing to ensure the public are aware of the best number to use to contact Tayside Police in a non-emergency situation. To that end the current 0845 number will be retained so that anyone using that number to contact the Force will still be connected, however only the 0300 will be marketed as the Force’s single non-emergency number.

4.3 If the proposal to move to the 0300 number is approved by the Board, this number will be displayed in a prominent position within the 2009 edition of the BT telephone directory. This will coincide with an effective local marketing campaign.

4.4 It is also proposed that the I.V.R.S. (Interactive Voice Response System) currently provided through British Telecom is mirrored within the new platform supplied with the new number to create a seamless process for the public, irrespective of which number is dialled, e.g. 0845 or 0300.

4.5 While there may be concerns over a change in the Force’s non-emergency number after such a short period of time, these must be considered against the following operational and service delivery benefits:
o Changes within the charging policies of telecommunications companies mean that use of 0845 numbers can cost the public more than previous charges from a domestic landline and considerably more from mobile telephones.
o There is growing public concern over the use of 0845 numbers as the principal means of contacting public bodies.
o OFCOM has introduced a range of “03” numbers specifically available to public bodies which restricts the cost to the user to that of a standard local or national call rate.
o It is extremely difficult and expensive to secure memorable 0845 numbers whereas the emerging availability of “03” numbers means that memorable numbers can be secured more easily and at considerably less cost.
o There is evidence that use of the Force’s 0845 number is dropping which has the potential to increase pressure on the 999 emergency telephone service.
o The outcome of the 101 pilots in England and Wales and the emerging position of the Scottish Government means it is unlikely that a 101 type service will be introduced in Scotland.

4.6 Based on the foregoing it is considered that migration to an 0300 number will enhance the call handling service at a reduced cost to the public over the current 0845 number.


5. FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS

5.1 The cost of securing the memorable number 0300 111 2222 as the primary nonemergency number, plus a further three numbers in a similar range which can be used for campaigns, appeals or major incidents, will be in the region of £3,000. In addition there would be annual costs of approximately £1,100 to provide the necessary services such as IVRS configuration.

5.2 With “03” numbers the caller pays a reduced rate for a non-geographic call compared to an “08” number. The cost of transmitting an “03” call across the networks is therefore no longer fully covered and subsequently the cost is made up by the organisation renting the number. This cost is however not significant. Based on current usage of 75,000 minutes per month, this would attract a charge of around 0.5p per minute which equates to £4,500 per annum.

5.3 These additional costs can be contained within the Force’s overall revenue budget.


6. STAFFING IMPLICATIONS

6.1 There are minimal staffing implications for the Force albeit some I.C.T. time would be required to assist the telecommunications provider in configuring the new I.V.R.S. to mirror that currently in place.


7. CONSULTATION

7.1 The Clerk and Treasurer have been consulted regarding the terms of this report.


8. CONCLUSION

8.1 The proposal to migrate to an 0300 non-emergency number for Tayside Police will deliver operational and service delivery benefits to the Force. Importantly it will also reduce the cost to the public of contacting Tayside Police in a non-emergency situation.
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Reply #184 - Feb 3rd, 2009 at 12:37am
 
Dave wrote on Feb 2nd, 2009 at 9:48pm:
Last April Tayside Police adopted a 0845 number. Consideration is now being given to changing to a 0300 prefixed number!

The author of the report was obviously well-briefed; there are many points that should be circulated to others in a similar position, including other public bodies across the UK.

A few comments to add:

This report was perhaps prepared before the BT announcement of calls to 0845 numbers being included in packages. It may be necessary to point out that this should not have any significant bearing on consideration of the issues. The key point is that for the majority of BT customers, calls to 0845 numbers are currently cheaper than 0300. This was true when the report was prepared with a recommendation to move to 0300. It remains true now, although is now less likely to remain true for long.

The point about the failure of the 101 project should be noted by other Police services and other public services that may have similar ideas - i.e. the NHS. If this idea cannot be made to work for the much simpler national structure of Police services, then it has little hope of success for the much more complex structure of the NHS.

As memorable 03xx numbers are being grabbed on a free-for-all first come first served basis, the Varney objective to have some structure to use of the 03xx range is increasingly being seen to have failed. The Contact Council of the (UK) Cabinet Office should have got hold of this issue many months ago, rather than simply whingeing about Ofcom not having given it total control. It must now move swiftly to prevent the possibility of disproportionately memorable numbers being held by providers of local services that receive relatively few calls as against the greater needs of larger national providers.

The minutes of the Tayside Joint Police Board meeting on 26th January, which considered this recommendation, have not been published. It will be interesting to know whether or not the recommendation was accepted at this public meeting.

Members of this forum may be able to assist Tayside Police with its efforts to overcome the difficulties involved in promoting a change of number after so short a time. Phrases such as "U-turn", and criticism of the fact that a wrong decision was made previously serve to discourage bringing the matter to public attention. Such comment may be fair and justified, however it may not assist achievement of the outcome that we seek. An offer of public support on behalf of SayNoTo0870 may be helpful - does anyone disagree?
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Reply #185 - Feb 3rd, 2009 at 12:45am
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Feb 3rd, 2009 at 12:37am:
Members of this forum may be able to assist Tayside Police with its efforts to overcome the difficulties involved in promoting a change of number after so short a time. ...

If Tayside change after such a short space of time, then it will not be alone as Northumbria did the same.
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Reply #186 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 3:40pm
 
Source: "Humberside" Police

http://www.humberside.police.uk/

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An 0845 number is a non-geographic number and are appropriate tariffs for government use but it should be noted that these can be charged at up to 5p per minute (from BT lines, other operators may be higher.)  

Humberside Police do not make a profit out of any call for service or information


It is "appropriate" that government uses numbers which provides revenue share and thus does not allow for calls to be priced the same as any "local" call.

In short, they are public sector services and in their own arrogance, think that they can use revenue sharing numbers to derive as much "benefit" as possible from citizens.
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Reply #187 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 4:18pm
 
Heritage & Culture

http://heritage.scotsman.com/latest-scottish-news/39Nonemergency-police-number39...

'Non-emergency police number' bid
Published Date:  29 January 2009

Scotland's police forces should have a single non-emergency telephone number, MSPs have said.

It would replace a series of different numbers used by different forces - and should not be an 0845 or premium-rate number.

A Holyrood committee said improving access to the police in non-emergency situations needed a consistent national approach - "and a greater degree of leadership from the Scottish Government."

The call came from the Public Audit Committee in a report on police call management and other issues.

The report also took a swipe at top police body the Association of Chief Police Officers Scotland - saying the MSPs shared concerns expressed by other bodies at the "transparency and accountability" of ACPOS.

This could only be held to account through local police authorities scrutinising the activities of their own chief constables, the report said

And the Scottish Government should look at developing "stronger and more transparent national mechanisms" for scrutinising and holding ACPOS to account.

The MSPs investigation of police phone numbers was triggered by an Audit Scotland report on call management.

The MSPs said they were "concerned" that the use of 0845 numbers by individual forces could increase the cost of calls from the public as some phone operators excluded these from call allowances.

Committee convener Hugh Henry said: "The committee believes that the development of non-emergency numbers requires a consistent national approach and a greater degree of leadership from the Scottish Government. We are asking the Scottish Government to examine detailed proposals for a single non-emergency number."



Further comment from the Scottish Parliament website here:

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/nmCentre/news/news-comm-09/cau09-s3-002.htm
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Reply #188 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 12:38pm
 
Source: Bridlington Free Press

http://www.bridlingtonfreepress.co.uk/news/Petition-for-better-police-communicat...

Petition for better police communications

Published Date: 05 February 2009
By John Edwards

NEIGHBOURHOOD Watch groups have launched a petition to improve communications with the local police.

Members of the public have to call the 0845 6060222 number, which takes them through to the call centre in Hessle. But Watch co-ordinators want a Bridlington number made available so they can report low-priority incidents or speak to PCSOs who cover their patch.

They have suggested an answerphone, for people to leave messages for the neighbourhood police team would be an acceptable compromise.

Town councillor Pam Austin, who runs the Cottage Farm Neighbourhood Watch group, has set up the petition.

She said: “We are worried people are calling 999 and being told to ring the 0845 number. Some people are put off by having to pay to phone the police and don’t bother to report things. Not everybody has free 0845 calls.

“It is a barrier and at Bridwatch we want people to report as many incidents as possible.

“We want to see if we could get a local number just to report things. It would give the police better intelligence and that’s what Bridwatch is all about.

”We have watch surgeries and a common complaint is you are speaking to someone who hasn’t a clue where you are talking about because they are in Hessle.”

Battles to get a direct line through to Bridlington Police Station have been ongoing since the 0845 number was introduced. Bridwatch believes it is more important than ever, with groups needing to speak to the PCSOs who cover their patch.

Coun Austin said: “It’s a communication problem but people are a worried.”

Petitions are being distributed through Neighbourhood Watch groups across town.

Sheets can also be signed at Bridwatch’s Reach Out Centre, in Quay Road.
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Reply #189 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 12:55pm
 
http://www.humberside-pa.org.uk/downloads/Minutes/Performance_0809/Performance_M...

HUMBERSIDE POLICE AUTHORITY
PERFORMANCE COMMITTEE
28 OCTOBER 2008

page 3 of the above PDF

Members raised the issue of the cost for the public to ring the 0845 non emergency number. The Deputy Chief Constable advised Members that the Force had looked into changing to a 0345 number and the call rate would be the same and in addition would cost the Force £75,000. If the Force were prepared to pay this much it could open the possibility of a 0800 free phone number.
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Reply #190 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 1:09pm
 
Dave wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 12:55pm:
If the Force were prepared to pay this much it could open the possibility of a 0800 free phone number.


Doh but 40% of calls are from mobile phones and most mobile phones charge premium rates to call 0800 numbers. Shocked Angry

So they will still need an 03 number too for anyone calling them on a mobile phone.
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Reply #191 - Mar 7th, 2009 at 6:25pm
 
Tayside was the last police force to go over to 0845. It sets a precedent in Scotland by being the first to switch to 03.

http://www.kirriemuirherald.co.uk/general/NEW-POLICE-NUMBER-WILL-BE.5014812.jp

Source: Kirriemuir Herald

NEW POLICE NUMBER WILL BE 'EASIER TO REMEMBER'
Published Date: 25 February 2009

MEMBERS of Forfar Community Council were advised at their meeting last week of the new single non emergency number about to be launched by Tayside Police.

The number will be launched on March 2.

They were informed the new number will make it cheaper for members of the public to contact Tayside Police, and it is also easier to remember.

The number to remember from March 2 is 0300 111 2222.

Addressing the meeting, Constable Wendy Craigie also advised the Angus Community Safety Team will soon be commencing a survey of 10,000 households in the Angus area.

The survey asks questions pertaining to the fear of crime and other issues of concern to Angus residents.

Residents are asked to complete the survey as all information gained will assist in compiling a true picture of the community concerns within Angus, and as such helps to direct resources more effectively.
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Reply #192 - Mar 7th, 2009 at 6:38pm
 
Cambridgeshire Police Authority has a 0300 number. We await to see when the constabulary itself switches from 0845.

http://www.cambs-pa.gov.uk/contact.cfm
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Reply #193 - Mar 7th, 2009 at 6:49pm
 
Still nothing from West Yorks Police about when they are swapping to their 0345 number...
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Reply #194 - Mar 9th, 2009 at 2:04pm
 
jgxenite wrote on Mar 7th, 2009 at 6:49pm:
Still nothing from West Yorks Police about when they are swapping to their 0345 number...


Surrey Police have talked a load of hopeful sounding waffle about being aware of the call cost issue with their 0845 phone number over the last year or so but so far done precisely nothing about it despite the introduction of 03 phone numbers by other UK police forces.
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