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allegro Senior Member Offline Posts: 334	When will 084x and 087x be abolished? Nov 2^nd, 2022 at 7:54am Is there any progess on abolishing 084x and 087x numbers? Partly thanks to this site their use is diminishing but it would be nice if Ofcom pulled their finger out and abolished them. Or at least outlawed charging for them.
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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #1 - Mar 9^th, 2023 at 1:10pm

Why abolish them? When introduced they were cheaper to call than mobiles? In some cases still are. Are we proposing to ban mobiles? Make the costs understandable/uniform yes, but ban... why?

As your own festering pile of multitudinous duplicitous hypocrisy fine, only we should come clean. Millions made someone pay more to dial their 07 mobile than 0870 ever cost, and all were fine with this.

Don't for the life of us, bamboozle or come the 'holier than thou'. And pleeeeeeeeze... don't insult anyone's intelligence with facts after the event.

Unless you didn't get your 07, without dosing-up on irony-pills, the only correct reply here is... "Yes, you have me."

And agree with me... if I ever complain about 0870 rates again, I'll scream down the street that:

"I am a festering pile of multitudinous duplicitous false virtue".

And call for 07 to be banned... first.

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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #2 - Mar 9^th, 2023 at 7:52pm

03700000000 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Why abolish them? When introduced they were cheaper to call than mobiles? In some cases still are. Are we proposing to ban mobiles? Make the costs understandable/uniform yes, but ban... why?

As your own festering pile of multitudinous duplicitous hypocrisy fine, only we should come clean. Millions made someone pay more to dial their 07 mobile than 0870 ever cost, and all were fine with this.

Don't for the life of us, bamboozle or come the 'holier than thou'. And pleeeeeeeeze... don't insult anyone's intelligence with facts after the event.

Unless you didn't get your 07, without dosing-up on irony-pills, the only correct reply here is... "Yes, you have me."

And agree with me... if I ever complain about 0870 rates again, I'll scream down the street that:

"I am a festering pile of multitudinous duplicitous false virtue".

And call for 07 to be banned... first.

Was there really a need for this type of reply 03700000000?

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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #3 - Mar 9^th, 2023 at 7:55pm

allegro wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2022 at 7:54am:

Is there any progess on abolishing 084x and 087x numbers? Partly thanks to this site their use is diminishing but it would be nice if Ofcom pulled their finger out and abolished them. Or at least outlawed charging for them.

It's doubtful when Ofcom seem to have little interest in making any changes. The biggest change would be the charging process. No landline number business or residential should cost more to call.

Unless you are dialling a premium rate number then all other numbers should be included in standard call plans.

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allegro Senior Member Offline Posts: 334	Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished? Reply #4 - Mar 10^th, 2023 at 6:41am It does look as if Ofcom have forgotten about the subject. Just let their use wither and die naturally seem to be the policy, if there is one at all. The number of offenders is dropping but still far from zero.
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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #5 - Mar 10^th, 2023 at 8:26am

The current Ofcom position was outlined in a Statement of 11 March 2022.
Page 4 (numbered 2) of this document includes the following:
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We will continue our review of the Numbering Plan and in the next stage we will look at the future role for 084 and 087 non-geographic numbers.

The detail of this is found in 2 previous consultations, links to which are found within the document.

The timing of this move depends on progress with the switch from the "traditional landline network" to use of IP. The consequent necessary revisions to the Numbering Plan are seen as an opportunity to clear up the mess represented by continuing use of 084 and 087.

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Reply #6 - Mar 10^th, 2023 at 5:41pm

SilentCallsVictim wrote on Mar 10^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

The current Ofcom position was outlined in a Statement of 11 March 2022.
Page 4 (numbered 2) of this document includes the following:
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We will continue our review of the Numbering Plan and in the next stage we will look at the future role for 084 and 087 non-geographic numbers.

The detail of this is found in 2 previous consultations, links to which are found within the document.

The timing of this move depends on progress with the switch from the "traditional landline network" to use of IP. The consequent necessary revisions to the Numbering Plan are seen as an opportunity to clear up the mess represented by continuing use of 084 and 087.

Interesting, so they are "looking into it", it would seem.

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allegro Senior Member Offline Posts: 334	Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished? Reply #7 - Mar 11^th, 2023 at 7:46am "Looking into it" sounds like sitting back and doing nothing. As SCV says, the POTS switch-off looks like a good opportunity to do something. We wait expectantly....
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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #8 - Mar 11^th, 2023 at 8:41am

There is a lot happening with the PSTN (POTS) network at this time. As the UK moves to IP based systems the "need" for 084/087 numbers should be diminished, however there are always going to be business' still trying to make extra money out of their customers. I am sure Travelodge still uses 0871 numbers to contact their Hotels.

If we continue to put pressure on those companies then that, along with hopefully Ofcom making changes, will make these numbers obsolete.

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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #9 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 6:47am

Travelodge are indeed big offenders. Though after you've booked you get an 0371 number. It's possible that just dialling 0371 instead of 0871 will connect.

To an ordinary innocent member ofthe public it seems so simple. If a business wants a cut, then use an 09 number, widely understood as premium. Otherwise all numbers are inclusive. Ofcom dealt with the 070 anomaly so why can't they just dictate that 084 and 087 shall be fixed.

Or is that too simple?

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Re: When will 084x and 087x be abolished?
Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 10:38am

allegro wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

Travelodge are indeed big offenders. Though after you've booked you get an 0371 number. It's possible that just dialling 0371 instead of 0871 will connect.

To an ordinary innocent member ofthe public it seems so simple. If a business wants a cut, then use an 09 number, widely understood as premium. Otherwise all numbers are inclusive. Ofcom dealt with the 070 anomaly so why can't they just dictate that 084 and 087 shall be fixed.

Or is that too simple?

Who knows if it's "too simple" we don't work in the telecoms industry or for Ofcom. Maybe it's been decided it's better to work on moving the PSTN network 1st, and then dealing with number ranges.

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